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Gear is partially to blame for tank shortage

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Gear is partially to blame for tank shortage

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Mazikeen
12.07.2012 , 02:07 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Calsetes View Post
Maybe I'm just an odd DPS person, though. I also usually ask if I'm doing alright, and apologize when I blow it or otherwise screw up.
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Lagboot
12.07.2012 , 02:36 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Godlymuppet View Post
I have at no point said I struggle to tank. So where are you getting that its a learn to play issue? Oh I get it your just being offensive, nice.

Now back to the point. People seem to think this would flood the lfg with bad tanks. Well until people try tanking how will they know if they enjoy it or are good at it. That pyro over ther could be an amazing tank and lo e it to bits, but before he. An try his luck he has to farm an entirely new set of gear, as he would get ripped to shreds for not having full tank gear. Now try farming a full set of tank gear while queuing as Dps, that's gonna take you a few weeks at least. Now the issue is that needi g different gear to tank or Dps creates a barrier to even tryi g out tanking.

Now I'm sure that all you tanks were born knowing you wanted to tank and would be good at it. But unless we let people try we can't assume that they would all be bad tanks.

Ok...didnt want to read Ur walll.....got it....
So U think tanks need special talents to make them dps at will. HrMmmmmmm.... Well i want to heal at will with special talents so I do not have to have 2 sets of gear on my dps. Every Mmo that uses trinity and talent trees has u in a specific role. Suggestion.....to save us new content time taken away by ur spoiled view...collect a dps set and stop crying.
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Cirsce
12.07.2012 , 02:54 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Godlymuppet View Post
Now im no genious, but to me that would make tanks and to a lesser extent healers (as there are already more of those) much more apealing, as the tanks would do more damage than they do now (they would have all the damage stats as well as tank stats, but with not having damage talents, they would still only do about 80% of the dps of a pure dps) and you could just keep your dps gear and not have to grind out a new set of gear to even give tanking a try like you need to now..
Rift managed to do something like this when I was still playing it. However, I think pvp would need to be looked at if you were going to increase the amount of damage a tank would put out in their tank spec - especially in pvp. Otherwise everyone would be running around doing more dps but still hard to kill.

I remember my healer in battlegrounds in Rift being able to kill someone 7 levels higher then me because I could literally out heal them and do decent dps.

Putting that aside, I think it would make it easier for people that want to tank to be able to do so. And it might attract dps that would like to contribute or get good queue times that were able to tank.

Another take on this which I thought would help more is to allow dual specs. Letting people respec between the choices they made at level 10 - a sith inquisitor could go freely between assasin and sorcerer to respec. The huge amount of marauders could feel free to spec into juggernaut. They could even make it so that this would be a subscriber benefit only - making people want to keep their sub going.

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Slurmez
12.07.2012 , 02:58 PM | #74
Its not a gear issue, its a design issue, shields dont work on force or tech attacks and armour mitigation is not working as it should be but fundamentally the reason we dont see so many tanks is that they are not so much fun or as enjoyable (for the most part for the majority of people)

I get that some people have a blast and are awesome tanks but in the groupfinder I can sit for ages waiting for a pop as a DPS and yet the minute I tick the tank box on my assassin because Im tired of waiting then its instapop, and I dont want to play as a tank.

Its all about fun, and they didnt dial it into their tank "vision"

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Larity
12.07.2012 , 02:59 PM | #75
maybe the shortage is because no one wants to be a tank and have to think and be cautious of things?

I heal and tank on my toons. Its not hard, its the dps who are the idiots.

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AMKSED
12.07.2012 , 03:17 PM | #76
Sorry, but tanks are balanced right now. I don't understand why people want un-killable juggernauts.
In PvP, a Tank/Healer combo can already hold a node vs 4+ people for a long time. And as long as that tank had a healer in Huttball he would never die.

Sorry but it's balanced the way it is.

No need to be having tanks with 30K base health along with 2x their defenses they already have.

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Sindorin
12.07.2012 , 03:18 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by MrSchmo View Post
I have a hard time understanding. Why do I need 2 sets of gear? All I do is tank and raid and I do fine with 1 set. Why do I need a dps set? That what a dps is for. I don't care how much damage I'm putting out. I'm there to control the fight and keep the attention on me.
Was thinking the exact same thing as I read the OP. Tanks Tank. They don't DPS.

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RazielHex
12.07.2012 , 03:32 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Tromador View Post
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Atrimentus
12.07.2012 , 03:37 PM | #79
Does anyone consider the fact that most people don't like to tank anyways? This is not just a problem in this game, it's in every game. It goes DPS > Healing > Tank. Tanking is perceived as being not as fun as DPSing or healing.

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JimG
12.07.2012 , 03:45 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
There are a lot of tanks who seem to get along just fine. It just takes more effort to be a good healer and a good tank than it does to be good DPS. Most folks do not want to make that effort.

I am not demeaning anyone who DPS's for fun here, but no matter what you say, DPS is a role where you can kick back, spam your rotation and enjoy the show. Healers spend a lot of time watching health bars. Tanks spend all of their time trying to maintain control. They take effort.

Gear has nothing to do for a perceived tank shortage. If you want to chalk it up to anything, it is an abundance of people with a lazy playstyle.
This pretty much sums it up.....has nothing to do with gear. Although, it does take effort to be a "good" DPS....still, less effort than a good tank or good healer though. A good DPS player will pay attention to what's going on and try to make the job of the tank and healer easier. A bad DPS player just fires away without a second thought and expects the tank and healer to constantly bale them out and carry them through the encounter. Unfortunately, there are a lot more bad DPS players than good ones....and, if they can't even play a DPS role decently, I sure don't want them running a tank or healer for my group, lol.