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Time for a PvP Fix

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fungihoujo
12.06.2012 , 07:10 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Commissar_Omega View Post
You need one thing to fix sorcs in pvp:

Chain lightning off wrath. I would give up anything, even bubble blind, to have that back.
That would be nice for dps specs for sure- would mean you'd have something useful to proc when CD is on CD. Still, wouldn't help healers much- put the instant DI proc back in, and you'd have enough to make both healers and dps viable again even without the mass bubble stuns.

I'd prefer to get top tiers looked at so pures are worthwhile for once- but since that seems out of the question for some bizarre reason, I'd go with having the good hybrid specs of the old days back.

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Thurinlore
12.06.2012 , 07:53 AM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
That would be nice for dps specs for sure- would mean you'd have something useful to proc when CD is on CD. Still, wouldn't help healers much- put the instant DI proc back in, and you'd have enough to make both healers and dps viable again even without the mass bubble stuns.

I'd prefer to get top tiers looked at so pures are worthwhile for once- but since that seems out of the question for some bizarre reason, I'd go with having the good hybrid specs of the old days back.
Healers are completely viable even without bubble stun...
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Devinia-Hex
12.06.2012 , 01:11 PM | #133
Wrath with the base Chain Lightning really isn't that great to be honest Wrath gives it a 20% buff but you would not be able to take advantage of the 50% crit bonus which would cap your surge on that ability making it hit the hardest. It would crit for probably mid to high 3k. I could see how with Death Field you may be able to get some back to back aoe hits for 3k but you also loose the crit bonus on Death Field as well as the periodic bonus by picking up Chain Lightning.

It would basically take a proc and two abilities to do what smash does in one you would also gimp other abilities by doing so. We need one ability in each tree that can hit hard for both specs on the damage side.
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fungihoujo
12.06.2012 , 05:15 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Thurinlore View Post
Healers are completely viable even without bubble stun...
Viable? Yes.

But- consider that before the bubble stun, sorcs were never taken for damage in RWZ- and only taken for healing when two good operatives weren't available. Why? Because ops have shorter casts, more survivability, and some casting mobility- it's a no brainer.

I'd rather be competitive than just viable- I'm not talking about balancing us to the bare minimum, I'm talking about balancing us so that when other classes see us they don't rush for a free kill- that they feel the same level of despair one feels with a WH aug mara or an 8k smash jugg, or the hopelessness you feel when trying to get close to a sniper, or frustration trying to kill a healing op.

Instead- look at the thread on class feedback- almost every single person considers this class a free kill in pvp. That's not a place we should be.

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veyl
12.06.2012 , 06:53 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by Thurinlore View Post
Healers are completely viable even without bubble stun...
It was only until recently that this was the case though. Unnatural preservation + force speed breaking roots was a huge boost to helping out the Class but still the "WE NEED A DEFENSIVE CD" demands continued to fall on deaf ears.

When the bubble stun is nerfed (and it will be), sorcs will once again be back to where they started. Heal or ****. And like the guy above says... If there's a choice between an operative and a sorc... The operative healer will -always- come out on top. Mobility healing is king in PVP. A sub 30% spammable gcd instant heal for 3 to 4k on that player is just too good to pass up.

But still. It's the DPS specs that will go back to being undesired.

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Caholic
12.06.2012 , 07:51 PM | #136
fix class balance and communication

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Calogerus
12.07.2012 , 02:07 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by APeckenpaugh View Post
There's too much here to comment on, but I noticed a lot of people repeating "the bubble is getting nerfed. BW already said so." So I figured that could use some clarification.

We're currently undergoing a lot of class rebalance for a future major patch, so it's an understatement to say that things aren't locked down yet. However, the problem with Backlash (Lightning's incapacitate on Static Barrier) is mostly that it can be applied to any target, making an entire team of allies stun-bubbled. Since this is such great utility for the Lightning Sorcerer, we don't want to change the effect of Backlash, but we are considering making the Backlash effect only apply to the original caster - so you only get a Backlash when you put your Static Barrier on yourself.

That's just the current idea. We don't have any plans on making Static Barrier or Backlash worse than it currently is for the Sorcerer that uses it.

We're aware that even this change lowers the amount of group support Lightning offers, so that's something we have to figure out before we can pull the trigger on Backlash.

I wish I could tell you guys more, but there isn't enough locked down yet. Rest assured, it's not as simple as "too good - nerf. Next."
Bahahaha are you joking Dev? You just said so many things that confirms you guys hate sorcs!

I think the one that stands out the most is "We dont have any plans on making Static Barrier worse than it currently is." So you admit its bad because I know my fellow sorcs will agree the amount of dmg it absorbs is terrible when compared to how hard we are hit. Lol give our bubble to another class though and when compared to the amount of dmg we do it will absorb it all and we will die before it will pop. I mean seriously BW?

Second the OP took his/her time to post very good feedback on what will make the class better and more viable in pvp in tems of survivability and burst damage but all you see is the freaking shield nerf complaint. Out of all that information that is really all you got out of it? That just makes me want to throw up I'm not joking. The sorc community has taken valuable time and money we could be spending and playing on another game to stick with this class and provide constructive and well thought out feedback.

What do you do you? Ignore it, this is the first yellow post I've ever seen in a sorc thread and it's jsut about the bubble. A nerf is a nerf is a nerf don't try to hide it this dev pretty much just told us what we already know. Stop trying to hide behind all the other classes and come out and admit sorcs are broken.

All that time put into tying to help you Dev's realize this is wrong and sorcs need a good pvp buff all that feedback and information all those notes thought process wasted. You guys completely ignore the feedback and a fine example of it is this Dev's post. Op I'm sorry you wasted your time posting all your thoughts out, to everyone else in the past I am sorry as well BW doesn't care they can't even read the fine print. It's like sorc threads are in Egyptian to them.

I'm done doing your job for you BW this is bloody embarrassing trash class belongs in the trash and that's where you've thrown us with the garbage disposal on.

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ShupFace
12.07.2012 , 03:37 AM | #138
Good to see that Dev's post finally turn up...
Quote: Originally Posted by APeckenpaugh View Post
There's too much here to comment on...
Wait, nevermind.

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Chemic_al
12.07.2012 , 04:30 AM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Calogerus View Post
Bahahaha are you joking Dev? You just said so many things that confirms you guys hate sorcs!

I think the one that stands out the most is "We dont have any plans on making Static Barrier worse than it currently is." So you admit its bad because I know my fellow sorcs will agree the amount of dmg it absorbs is terrible when compared to how hard we are hit. Lol give our bubble to another class though and when compared to the amount of dmg we do it will absorb it all and we will die before it will pop. I mean seriously BW?

Second the OP took his/her time to post very good feedback on what will make the class better and more viable in pvp in tems of survivability and burst damage but all you see is the freaking shield nerf complaint. Out of all that information that is really all you got out of it? That just makes me want to throw up I'm not joking. The sorc community has taken valuable time and money we could be spending and playing on another game to stick with this class and provide constructive and well thought out feedback.

What do you do you? Ignore it, this is the first yellow post I've ever seen in a sorc thread and it's jsut about the bubble. A nerf is a nerf is a nerf don't try to hide it this dev pretty much just told us what we already know. Stop trying to hide behind all the other classes and come out and admit sorcs are broken.

All that time put into tying to help you Dev's realize this is wrong and sorcs need a good pvp buff all that feedback and information all those notes thought process wasted. You guys completely ignore the feedback and a fine example of it is this Dev's post. Op I'm sorry you wasted your time posting all your thoughts out, to everyone else in the past I am sorry as well BW doesn't care they can't even read the fine print. It's like sorc threads are in Egyptian to them.

I'm done doing your job for you BW this is bloody embarrassing trash class belongs in the trash and that's where you've thrown us with the garbage disposal on.
Truth... sad but true. I can't wait to read about how lolrauders are going to be buffed again...

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wwkingms
12.07.2012 , 05:31 AM | #140
i posted this ont he class balance thread...



sorc dmg can be misrepresented by the tally at the end... if left alone a sorc can still do much dmg, alot of it aoe.

but while other top damaging classes like pts, mara's and juggs really dont take a dps drop off when attacked in return... SORCS lose a lot of dps due to having to run for their life...

our dots and instants are very weak, so in order to do dmg we must stand still and eaither channel or cast.. this allows our biggest enemies (jugg mara pt assasin) to close any gap... and at that point we will NOT win a dps war straight on...

there are 1 to 2 solutions,

harder hitting spells to STAND toe to toe with this monster hitting classes, this would come from the lightning tree, lightning strike, chain lightning and thundering blast have a terrible cast to dmg payofff ratio... the skills just arent worth casting if ur being attacked.. ur much better off running and therefor having ZERO dps

or

front loaded dots, harder hitting instants , this would come form the madness tree. Crushing darkness should be instant for sorcs AC, and wrath should instead make ur next Crush Darkness or Shock do 35% more dmg

a defensive cooldown on 1-2 minute cd wouldnt hurt either...
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