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Kaggath Series: Darth Plagueis vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Series: Darth Plagueis vs G0-T0

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Xatasha
12.04.2012 , 02:30 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
True, but it isn't a simple mind trick that Plagueis did. He created a clever ruse. Hiding behind the name Hego Damask, Plagueis operated around the galaxy without the Jedi knowing. G0-T0 doesn't have Jedi senses so he doesn't know Plagueis is Hego.

But this leads me to ask a question to Beni. Does G0-T0 know Plagueis is Hego Damask?

Edit: The reason I ask is because if G0-T0 knows Plagueis is Hego, then he has a pretty good advantage. He'd be a step ahead of the game, while Plagueis tries to figure out how to fing G0-T0 (easier than you think).
GO TO tho can hack into and control any droid, holonet, food processors and medical clinics. Plaguels has to use these tools and this how GO TO will find him, track him and kill him. I think you overestimate Jedi and underestimate a mastermind droid who can process tons of information quicker than any Jedi. Plus Plagueis follows the same tried and truth path of any sith that of trying to get greater power. GO TO would know where to look...around the Jedi and other places of power. Plagueis would have to figure out GO TO is a droid and then try and figure out what GO TO wants neither will be easy for him.



Also note that droids all mostly overlooked in Star wars. Seen as for the most part being harmless

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Beniboybling
12.04.2012 , 02:43 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Xatasha View Post
Also note that droids all mostly overlooked in Star wars. Seen as for the most part being harmless
Droids can be dangerous opponents, remember Mentor? He led his own droid revolution.

Weird moment by the way, was just playing SWTOR a moment ago on Ilum and stumbled across a holocron. Now for someone who does not actively search for them this was quite rare. So after I activate it a get a codex entry on galatic history, and guess what its about...G0-T0! Apparently several G0-T0's established planetary dictatorships and took over the Gordian Reach, don't underestimate the droids.

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Canino
12.04.2012 , 03:06 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
. Once he finds a thug with the proper information, he lures G0-T0 into a trap. He uses a decoy vessel to distract the yacht while an armed vessel (possibly pirate) destroys the ship. Unless G0-T0 can transmit himself to a droid that's not on the ship, it's game over.
So, Plagueis isn't there, and he hires pirates to kill G0-T0? Real question, I'm a bit confused. If so, that plan could easily backfire. G0-T0 is an Exchange boss, he has thugs and money. He could possibly buy the loyalty of the pirates, and use them to trace Plagueis. I know Plagueis is rich though, but if they don't take them bribe "Mayhem and destruction await!" Interrogator droids are very good at their job, and I'm sure G0-T0 has them.

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Aurbere
12.04.2012 , 03:54 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
So, Plagueis isn't there, and he hires pirates to kill G0-T0? Real question, I'm a bit confused. If so, that plan could easily backfire. G0-T0 is an Exchange boss, he has thugs and money. He could possibly buy the loyalty of the pirates, and use them to trace Plagueis. I know Plagueis is rich though, but if they don't take them bribe "Mayhem and destruction await!" Interrogator droids are very good at their job, and I'm sure G0-T0 has them.

G0-T0 Forever!!!
I'm just providing a scenario here. Remember that my scenario was an ambush. G0-T0 won't have the time to bribe Plagueis' pirates. IF he did, Plagueis would just kill them. But G0-T0 could always use stealthy assassins.

I'm going to be undecided for this one Beni. Such a battle could go either way, imo.
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Xatasha
12.04.2012 , 05:07 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Droids can be dangerous opponents, remember Mentor? He led his own droid revolution.

Weird moment by the way, was just playing SWTOR a moment ago on Ilum and stumbled across a holocron. Now for someone who does not actively search for them this was quite rare. So after I activate it a get a codex entry on galatic history, and guess what its about...G0-T0! Apparently several G0-T0's established planetary dictatorships and took over the Gordian Reach, don't underestimate the droids.
I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say droids were not dangerous. I said people tend to view them as not being dangerous. They view them more as items that you own and not as threats. People ignore them for the most part

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Warren-Stride
12.04.2012 , 05:13 PM | #36
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Everyone saying you can't sense droids through the force... wouldn't it be similar to how young jedi train with probes?
That’s the “Spidey-sense” or precognitive abilities, that I’ve been talking about. It warns a Jedi/Sith of danger, basically predicting their opponents moves. Hense you can sense the blaster bolts. The catch? Plageuis lacks this ability.

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Very true, but look at KOTOR 2. There are plenty of ways to find the ship. And it decloaks when it picks up new ships. All Plagueis has to do is wait for it.
If GO-TO knows that he is in an open war with a Sith Lord…. I doubt he’s decloaking anytime soon. He would know better than to allow any possibility of detection, seeing as his stealth is his only defense. And, actually, Plagueis may not even care about GO-TO’s ship, if he knows (through the Force) that there are no humans on it. No matter how many pirates he tortures, no one will ever tell him GO-TO is a droid, because it’s a secret. (Also, even if he did find GO-TO’s ship, the droid would win 1v1.)

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Well, IG-88 is an assassin droid whereas G0-T0 is an infrastructure planning droid. They are entirely different.
Entirely different? Maybe. However, you underestimate the IG-88 droids. They almost brought the galaxy to its knees with a droid revolution, and were skilled bounty hunters. That takes some advanced programming. IG-88 literally copied himself and all his code onto another droid. They were connected through a “one mind” sort of thing, but they established that link after all the copying had been done. So basically, all GO-TO has to do is find or create an exact, lifeless model of himself and copy his data over. Mind you, if it’s the exact same droid, there would be no problem transferring his “complex personality” into an equally powerful core. The transfer would be an entire personality transfer. His programming, even the broken code, would be transferred. (IG-88A had broken code from the very beginning, which is what allowed him to break free and activate the other droids.) He would be an exact clone of GO-TO, both physically and mentally. They would obviously help each other. Also, if their minds are linked, no, if one is destroyed the other will not suffer. IG-88 didn’t. There’re connected, but they’re not two parts of a brain, they are each fully able to fend for themselves, they just have a partner to aid them. They’re droids, not biological beings.

But regardless of this droid-specific ability, GO-TO can will win this Kaggath either way.

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Segastorm
12.04.2012 , 08:16 PM | #37
From what I know of Plaegius and GO-TO(from hereby will be called Goto), Goto will win this, simply because of numbers, but it can be a bit more complicated. I'm just gonna take a point of view from them both on ways they can win this.

Goto:

-Could simply stay in hiding, and draw it out, sending a near-limitless supply of droids and just waiting until a dash of extreme luck comes and they find plaegius, at which point he is doomed.


-Could bait Plaegius, though it would have to be complex to work on someone of his intelligence

(Side question here, but Goto was programmed to serve the republic, even if it meant breaking its laws due to a programming conflict at a point, but does that programming still exist? If it did, Plaegius could make himself seem like he would bring it back and he was its only hope for resurrection, thus making Goto completely unable to harm him, and making it an almost-auto win for Plaegius. I say almost cause we all know how much those HK-50s enjoy killing organics.)

Plaegius:

-Assuming Goto chooses option 1, he could somehow extract a droids memory

-He could torture a member of the exchange until he gave up helpful information (process may have to be repeated, but he is a sith lord, and they can probably think of many terrible things to do to you.)

Now, if one found the other, Plaegius would have to catch Goto completely off guard and finish it in a single strike or Plaegius's chances of winning would be very low. The reason I give the win to Goto is because he can simply play the overall strategy of this match-up a lot better and has more resources at his side. Not to mention if he is found, he could fortify himself far better than plaegius could.

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Warren-Stride
12.04.2012 , 09:48 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Segastorm View Post
(Side question here, but Goto was programmed to serve the republic, even if it meant breaking its laws due to a programming conflict at a point, but does that programming still exist? If it did, Plaegius could make himself seem like he would bring it back and he was its only hope for resurrection, thus making Goto completely unable to harm him, and making it an almost-auto win for Plaegius. I say almost cause we all know how much those HK-50s enjoy killing organics.)
The whole point of major powers not existing in the Kaggath is to avoid debating about them. I think what the rule means is that they never existed. It's not like they suddenly disappeared. The point of this thread is powerbases and their battles.

Does the programing still exist in GO-TO? Yeah, it is a major part of his programming. However, seeing as the Republic he was designed to help doesn't exist, it wouldn't make any sense for Plagueis to know about or be able to recreate something that never existed.

That's a good underhand way Plaguies could win, but, as per the rules and setting, it just isn't possible in the Kaggath.

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Tomb-Stone
12.04.2012 , 11:12 PM | #39
Plagueis. He is extremely shrewd and possibly one of the most underrated characters in the SW universe.
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GarfieldJL
12.04.2012 , 11:14 PM | #40
I have to give this one to G0-T0, consider all the information G0-T0 sifts through on a routine basis and the fact he was designed to be able to do this. This boils down to whom finds whom first, from an information standpoint G0-T0 has the advantage. While Plagueis has the force, G0-T0 can simply follow the credits, Darth Plagueis no matter how careful he is will still leave a credit trail, data trails, etc. for G0-T0 to follow.

Since this is a fight to the death, it will be substancially easier for G0-T0 than trying to take on the Exile, cause he wants the Sith dead.

Darth Plagueis specialized in concealing himself in the force, not a self-aware droid with imagination and the ability to plot out and manipulate things on a galactic-wide scale.

Finally, Darth Plagueis probably wouldn't find G0-T0 first because G0-T0 is a droid, which can't be sensed in the force, while G0-T0 would simply send out thousands of homicidal HK-50 droids to hunt Darth Plagueis down.