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Kaggath Series: Darth Plagueis vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Series: Darth Plagueis vs G0-T0

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Aurbere
12.03.2012 , 06:47 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
I know this is blasphemy, but in a 1v1 fight, I'm gonna give it to GO-TO.

Hear me out.

Stealth + Droid = VERY dangerous enemy for a Force User. They cannot sense his movements through the Force because he is not alive, and they cannot see or sense him due to the Stealth Generator. GO-TO would get frist strike and the element of surprise.

Darth Plagueis lacks precognitive abilities due his maxi-chlorian infection. If GO-TO were to make a strike at the Sith Lord from behind, without exiting stealth, mind you, Plagueis would have to rely on reflexes. This attack could come at any time, GO-TO could be his own assassin, or he could do this when (if) Plagueis boards his ship. But sometime when the Sith's defenses are down.

Here's what I see happening: GO-TO goes into stealth as Plagueis comes near. Totally unable to sense the droid, Plagueis is completely unaware of GO-TOs presense and, coupled with his lack of precognitive abilities, he is unsuspecting. GO-TO then sendings a paralyis dart at Plagueis. Mind you, these darts are used by assassins to be silent and quick, and if GO-TO is in close range, which he very well could be, Plagueis would have no time to react. Or, if you argue he could, GO-TO could literally float up to the Sith and stab him with a needle.

As someone else pointed out, Plaueis died in part due to poisoning. With his complete invisbility and Plagueis's lack of precognitive abilities, GO-TO could do the same.

1v1 = GO-TO?
Except Plagueis was pretty much invisible as well. Maybe not TRUE invisibility, but he was able to sit around on Coruscant without even Master Yoda knowing he was there. He would have to literally walk into the Jedi Temple and say "Hey I'm a Sith Lord here to kill you!"

If Yoda and the entire galaxy couldn't see him, what makes you think G0-T0 can?

Plagueis isn't really a hands-on kinda guy. If he has the tools to take G0-T0 out, he will use them.
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Canino
12.03.2012 , 06:49 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
I literally scremed "Yes, GO-TO!" when I saw this!
I said the same thing when I saw GO-TO!!

O.K., I have to give this one to GO-To as well. With that fact that he is a droid(meaning no force sensing) and all the other points you listed, GO-TO will win.

I know little about Plagueis, but some of his force powers seem to make him extremely hard to kill. Luckily for GO-TO, I think he may die yet.

Imagine this
Plagueis is somehow able to find GO-TO's ship, and gets safely through. The sun guard (from what I read on wookiepedia) would not be with him, as they served as guards on the moon Sojourn. Unless Plagueis specifically asked for the guards to come with him, they would not.

Anyway, Plagueis is inside of GO-TO's ship, and believes he has captured GO-TO. All GO-TO needs is for multiple assassin's to attacked Plagueis at the same time with some type of paralyzing poison. Plagueis' Heart Stun wouldn't be able to overcome that, and even if he managed to kill the assassin's afterward, GO-TO could've escaped, or gotten in for the kill.

Please correct me if my information is wrong, but I vote for GO-TO!!!!


EDIT: Dang it Aurbere, you beat to to the post!
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Warren-Stride
12.03.2012 , 07:08 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Except Plagueis was pretty much invisible as well. Maybe not TRUE invisibility, but he was able to sit around on Coruscant without even Master Yoda knowing he was there. He would have to literally walk into the Jedi Temple and say "Hey I'm a Sith Lord here to kill you!"

If Yoda and the entire galaxy couldn't see him, what makes you think G0-T0 can?

Plagueis isn't really a hands-on kinda guy. If he has the tools to take G0-T0 out, he will use them.
I never said GO-TO would find him. That's another subject altogether. Both are VERY hard to find, it seems like.

I was merely stating how I think the battle would go down IF Plagueis and GO-TO did go 1v1. Actually, GO-TO may even seek Plagueis out, if he recognizes the extreme advantage he has over the Sith. But first, before any kinda of offensive can be made, they have to find each other.

Quote:
Imagine this
Plagueis is somehow able to find GO-TO's ship, and gets safely through. The sun guard (from what I read on wookiepedia) would not be with him, as they served as guards on the moon Sojourn. Unless Plagueis specifically asked for the guards to come with him, they would not.

Anyway, Plagueis is inside of GO-TO's ship, and believes he has captured GO-TO. All GO-TO needs is for multiple assassin's to attacked Plagueis at the same time with some type of paralyzing poison. Plagueis' Heart Stun wouldn't be able to overcome that, and even if he managed to kill the assassin's afterward, GO-TO could've escaped, or gotten in for the kill.
This is another valid senario, but even with his lack of awareness, I doubt Plaguies would fall into a trap.... but then again, you never know. I think poison, as it was the first time, will be the Dark Lord's downfall. GO-TO and his group of assassins are no strangers to toxins, so it is very possible GO-TO will just poison the alien, the air, or the food/drink.... if he can find Plagueis.

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Canino
12.03.2012 , 07:29 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
This is another valid senario, but even with his lack of awareness, I doubt Plaguies would fall into a trap.... but then again, you never know. I think poison, as it was the first time, will be the Dark Lord's downfall. GO-TO and his group of assassins are no strangers to toxins, so it is very possible GO-TO will just poison the alien, the air, or the food/drink.... if he can find Plagueis.
Very true, very true. It is a game of shadows, a hard game to win. I think the key is for one to eliminate the others army, or followers. You may not find the enemy, but the enemy will not stand aside and let his forces be killed. Either of the "contestants" if I may, will be searching for one another, so whoever decides to gun down the others forces first, has the upper hand.
I think G0-T0 may decide this first, and has a bit of an upper hand with the fact that the Sun Guard has a good chance of being out of the way. I'm not sure about Plageuis' other forces, but G0-T0 does have his entire droid army. Would Plagueis have Palpitine, because if he does, the fight may swing toward Plageuis. At the same time, G0-T0 could convince him to strike down his master earlier.

EDIT: Just checked, it said Plagueis doesn't have Darth Sideous, but does that mean he doesn't have his apprentice, or Palpitine is out?
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MasterMe
12.03.2012 , 07:33 PM | #15
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Warren-Stride
12.03.2012 , 07:34 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
EDIT: Just checked, it said Plagueis doesn't have Darth Sideous, but does that mean he doesn't have his apprentice, or Palpitine is out?
Neither Palpitine nor Maul exist during the Kaggath.

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Canino
12.03.2012 , 07:44 PM | #17
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Neither Palpitine nor Maul exist during the Kaggath.
Yeah I noticed that.
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MasterMe
12.03.2012 , 07:46 PM | #18
You know, this really is gonna be a lot closer then I thought....

I think that this will be the longest and most drawn-out battle to date. The biggest thing here for both G0-T0 and Plagueis is patience.

I feel that Plagueis dosn't really have a power base to begin with (granted he can soon get one), so this is gonna be... different.

Before I really get into this: can G0-T) download himself into several things? If so, it's gonna be nearly impossible for Plagueis to win. Just saying.

OK so here goes. Strength in numbers here is pretty much unimportant, so no advantage here for G0-T0. This will be purely a battle of wits. If I'm either one of these guys then here's what I'm gonna do:
I'm gonna spend YEARS doing a bunch of stuff to throw the enemy off of my game. What I mean is that I'll spend time doing a bunch of bullcrap plans that end up getting seen by the enemy. I do this until the enemy thinks he knows me. Then I engage in legit plans to assassinate the enemy. This wins it here. I think it is gonna come down to how capable these opponents are of killing eachother. G0-T0, being a stealthy robot, is gonna be impossible to detect through the force, while Plagueis is gonna be nearly impossible to detect.

G0-T0 WINS!! Here's why: remember how Sidious was killed? He was backstabbed. He never saw it coming. This prooves that these Sith aren't invincible to deception. For this reason, G0-T0 wins. Thoughts?

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Warren-Stride
12.03.2012 , 08:07 PM | #19
I think GO-TO wins 1v1. Here's why it's important:

I don't see a way Plagueis could kill GO-TO other than a personal duel.

However, GO-TO can still kill Plagueis without a 1v1. Remember HK-50 assassin droids? Yeah, they're pretty great. For sure against Plagueis. Once again, he cannot sense these droids through the Force. He also has a lack of precognitive abilities, that basically make it so that he can't have any of that "Spidey-sense" Force stuff.

Basically, there's nothing stopping a HK-50 from blasting his tall head off with a sniper rifle.

Of course, we return to the question: How will GO-TO find him? For this, I really don't have an answer. However, finding GO-TO will be even harder for Plagueis (*Cough* Stealthed Ship *Cough*). And once Plagueis does find him, the lack of worthy assassins means Plagueis would have to go to GO-TO himself.... ending in his doom.

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Warren-Stride
12.03.2012 , 08:18 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Before I really get into this: can G0-TO download himself into several things? If so, it's gonna be nearly impossible for Plagueis to win. Just saying.

OK so here goes. Strength in numbers here is pretty much unimportant, so no advantage here for G0-T0. This will be purely a battle of wits. If I'm either one of these guys then here's what I'm gonna do:
I'm gonna spend YEARS doing a bunch of stuff to throw the enemy off of my game. What I mean is that I'll spend time doing a bunch of bullcrap plans that end up getting seen by the enemy. I do this until the enemy thinks he knows me. Then I engage in legit plans to assassinate the enemy. This wins it here. I think it is gonna come down to how capable these opponents are of killing eachother. G0-T0, being a stealthy robot, is gonna be impossible to detect through the force, while Plagueis is gonna be nearly impossible to detect.

G0-T0 WINS!! Here's why: remember how Sidious was killed? He was backstabbed. He never saw it coming. This prooves that these Sith aren't invincible to deception. For this reason, G0-T0 wins. Thoughts?
I'm not sure about the downloading, but I would say no, he can only transfer into one other body. However, he could potencially do this to escape his ship, or even a planet to a different body stashed on another of his vessels.

Well, I agree with you EXCEPT strength in numbers. It does matter here, seeing as Plagueis has almost no numbers, while GO-TO has many, many assassins he can use to at least attempt to kill Plagueis with. Also, Plagueis's lack of numbers is what I think will drive this to a 1v1 duel, and a victory to GO-TO.

If the "greatest Sith that every lived" was picked up from behind and hurled over a railing, and wasn't able to see that betrayal coming, it's not a strech to say that a Sith without "Spidey-sense" will fall to the same fate from an invisible genius droid.