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Seemingly large increase in 'Ninjas'

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Seemingly large increase in 'Ninjas'

Januaria's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 09:44 AM | #41
Seems like you can't get through a thread without the Church Lady pronouncing judgment and often condemning legitimate points raised by the OP.

OP, your concerns are valid (IMO) but I believe that the benefits of F2P >> the deficits. I love the heavily populated servers and the insane/amusing/offensive chat that zips by in General chat.

What would be helpful is macro'ed text where you could post a pre-made announcement that Need is for your toon and Greed is for your companion and that violators will be kicked. That way everyone knows the rules of behavior before initiating the instance.

Also annoying are comments insisting that you avoid PUGS. Most likely these peeps subbed to the game with family/friends/co-workers -- so they rarely have to solo content or rely on PUGS to get through a Heroic.
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Banaticus's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 09:48 AM | #42
I flat out tell people, the roll times are very long. If you'd want it for a companion, wait and see what others want. After 30 seconds or so, post in chat that you want it for your companion and feel free to roll need. That's what I'll be doing. Seriously, anyone else think that the loot roll timer is crazy long in this game?

BobaTed's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 10:01 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by uaintjak View Post
People want a better community? Then start making one.
Paradoxically, the "healthier" an MMO's population, the harder it is to make a better community. The larger the population and the more churn it undergoes, the less relevant individual punitive measures become. If the population is sufficiently large and dynamic, then no matter what you do with regards to a particular looter today, that looter will be able to find another group of people to take advantage of tomorrow (or even in the next few minutes). Likewise, your actions against the looter you're teamed with now won't mean jack with regards to the next looter you encounter.

In short, you won't stem the tide. You won't teach today's looter a lesson, and you won't forestall the next looter's attempts to loot. This statement isn't condoning the actions of looters, nor is it an attempt to discourage anyone from doing what they feel is right. It's simply an observation about player behavior in MMOs (supplemented by elementary game theory).

The fact is, the Need/Greed/Pass system materially rewards people for rolling Need on everything, and the nature and structure of the typical MMO population can impose no meaningful disincentive for doing so. Build community all you want - just recognize that the looters aren't going away, unless the game's population gets problematically small. Forewarned is forearmed...

Ratajack's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 11:42 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by althene View Post
I disagree here. If you're in a group with 2 troopers, a guardian and a sage all under level 13, and light armor drops, the trooper and guardian who roll need on it are being ninja looters. Troopers don't have light armor companions and the guardian won't have theirs for another few levels. I agree that loot should generally be free rolled, but they shouldn't be taking it form a players that can use it in the here and now. Perhaps the term "ninja" doesn't apply if they don't "vanish" by dropping group, but the fact remains, they're stealing loot from a player for the sole purpose of selling it or simply out of spite. By ignorance or greed is a whole other topic, but the fact that f2p players can't trade within flashpoints only compounds the problem (or f2p players have been lying the whole time. Never tried trading with one).
Did that sage solo the boss? If not, then everyone who participated in the fight has an equal right to reap the rewards. The same would apply if the boss dropped a piece of heavy armor with strength on it. The sage has no need for heavy armor with strength, but should not be excluded from rolling.

While I understand your point regarding the Guardian not getting their light armor wearing companion for another few levels, having that orange gear that you can equip right away can make a difference.

Ratajack's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 11:47 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by SamuraBob_Fl View Post
Yes companions are an integral piece of the game.

That said, you can't bring your companions to anywhere you would actually need them having instance gear. When people roll need for companions, I just put them on ignore so GF won't again place me with people who are either that inconsiderate or that unintelligent.
Considering that instance gear is probably better than most quest rewards, I can't see how you can say that people can't bring their companions to places where they would need instance gear. They can't be used in raids, but they can be used in instances and for heroics. Having a companion as geared as possible makes them much more effective, just as a player's toon is more effective if geared well.

chimex's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 12:03 PM | #46
Personally, I believe a good step toward combating this would be to introduce an account wide ignore option. If someone feels wronged by another (note the wording, "feels wronged" trying to appease everyone here lol), they have the option to ignore the offending players whole account.

This way, Those who do end up on a lot of ignore lists will find it difficult to find groups on ANY of their characters. I get the feeling everybody will be much more civil towards each other.
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Aleeha's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 12:16 PM | #47
Again, you do NOT ever have to enter into a PUBLIC flash point. That is 100% totally OPTIONAL, ALWAYS!! If you are ever concerned about gear then either have a higher level guildie run you through the instance or just go through the instance with guildies or friends.

Crying about something that is 100% OPTIONAL and 100% AVOIDABLE is just silly.

I don't need any gear from flash points but I tell you this, that if I was in an FP that's public (which I rarely do because there are just so many bad players, healers especially) and something dropped that a companion and use and is an upgrade, I'm rolling on it. Companions are apart of the game and a very useful tool and also an extension of my character.

Eszi's Avatar

12.01.2012 , 12:16 PM | #48
I need on all just to annoy people

Darth_Exar's Avatar

12.02.2012 , 09:42 AM | #49
Just quickly returning to the thread...and my OP seems to have been totally ignored. This is about the increase in the numbers of 'Ninjas' or how you like to call them. This is not a discussion about if rolling for your companion is valid, even if that was pointed out in my OP or even if it is part of the reason people do roll on items they dont need. Also this might be new to people but some players can only use the PUG because they either dont have a guild to run with or they dont know people in game or they moved to another server, which i also pointed out in my OP as not to giving me an earfull about it as I already know that not using the PUG is probablly the best option. Its like everytime someone posts an honest thread it gets thrown back in their faces or the point is completely missed.
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scullzomben's Avatar

12.02.2012 , 10:21 AM | #50
Remember when people said Ninja Looting only happens on cross server LFG?