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Afraid to put their big boy/girl pants on. Fix this please. Peter Pan isn't in SWTOR

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Afraid to put their big boy/girl pants on. Fix this please. Peter Pan isn't in SWTOR

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Seena
12.01.2012 , 04:48 PM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
This would be the perfect chance to test how thorough the devs made the ignore params
Ya unfortunately ignoring someone doesn't prevent them from being in a wz with you.

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criminalheretic
12.01.2012 , 05:35 PM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
So you're saying that if you spent a few hours a day for a couple days PvP'ing on a lowbie toon and in pretty much every WZ you did a lvl 49 was there and leaving every single time before it ended you'd think "oh, they must have a problem." And then see them 2 mins. later in another WZ and the same thing happens, you'd keep thinking "Wow, dude's having problems today. Guess it's a good thing it's not bad enough to keep them from playing a game they obviously love." It would never occur to you that they are doing it intentionally?
Believing they are doing it intentionally, and PROVING it would be two different things, which is all he's trying to say.
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chimex
12.01.2012 , 05:48 PM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
So you're saying that if you spent a few hours a day for a couple days PvP'ing on a lowbie toon and in pretty much every WZ you did a lvl 49 was there and leaving every single time before it ended you'd think "oh, they must have a problem." And then see them 2 mins. later in another WZ and the same thing happens, you'd keep thinking "Wow, dude's having problems today. Guess it's a good thing it's not bad enough to keep them from playing a game they obviously love." It would never occur to you that they are doing it intentionally?
That's akin to holding a bloodied dagger over a stabbed murder victim, an hour earlier you saying "i'm going to kill him" while picking up a knife and wondering into the dark of night, laughing and saying "glad he's dead" as police drag you away. However, your defense is "prove that I stabbed him."
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Seena
12.01.2012 , 06:56 PM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by criminalheretic View Post
Believing they are doing it intentionally, and PROVING it would be two different things, which is all he's trying to say.
Proving it isn't necessary. Again -- no one is asking that people who engage in this exploit be punished. The way xp is doled out simply needs to change.

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Chlomamf
12.01.2012 , 07:03 PM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
Yea, not very thorough, put someone on ignore, queued, and there they are in the WZ with me LOL
Trolls would abuse this tool to great extent if the Devs made it so you don't get put in WZs with people on your ignore. They simply add everyone to their ignore list.

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Knockerz
12.01.2012 , 07:05 PM | #296
For some reason your name reminds of Senna the f1 driver.

As for people staying in the sub 50 is pretty boring now that you have those f2p players in there. Most of time they don't know what to do.
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Chlomamf
12.01.2012 , 07:11 PM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by Seena View Post
Yes, I can blame them. No problems at all blaming them. I went through the level 50 gear "grind" - twice. If they don't want to grind let them create another toon and stay in the <49 bracket legitimately instead of selfishly affecting others.

Personally I have no issues with pick up groups - that is imo what PVP (and PvE) is about. Working together as a group to accomplish a goal (ie win). Personally I think complaining about PUGs is lamer than lame. I wouldn't deny anyone that right - and I wouldn't say, "Bioware shouldn't address it" - but I think it's seriously lame.

As for thinking this is "legitimate" well - again... not sure what to say to someone who thinks that way. Other than discretion is (almost) always the better part of valor.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise we all had to advance to level 50 and we all have to suffer the Gear grind, and that it is completely evil if we stay at level 49.

The problem is, you don't know (and can't prove) that they don't have problems IRL that they have to leave the match everytime. Maybe their game crashes when the scoreboard shows, meaning they have to leave before it comes up. Maybe they're being forced by the Secret Service to leave the WZs before the scoreboard appears. Regardless of how stupid or crazy or unlikely these may be, they're still possible. You can't prove them otherwise. And last I checked it is completely legitimate to leave a WZ for IRL problems.

So yeah, go video tape every person who does this and send me proof that they're leaving so they don't get Exp, then we'll have something to talk about instead of you making accusations you can't back up.

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Chlomamf
12.01.2012 , 07:16 PM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
For some reason your name reminds of Senna the f1 driver.

As for people staying in the sub 50 is pretty boring now that you have those f2p players in there. Most of time they don't know what to do.
Not necessarily, some F2Pers are people who used to be Subbed but left, so they have some idea of what to do.

But yeah, it can be annoying to see someone with the ball in Huttball, they have 1% of life left, teammates are everywhere and they don't pass. But I think they learn after me yelling for them to pass.

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Seena
12.01.2012 , 07:18 PM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by Chlomamf View Post
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise we all had to advance to level 50 and we all have to suffer the Gear grind, and that it is completely evil if we stay at level 49.

The problem is, you don't know (and can't prove) that they don't have problems IRL that they have to leave the match everytime. Maybe their game crashes when the scoreboard shows, meaning they have to leave before it comes up. Maybe they're being forced by the Secret Service to leave the WZs before the scoreboard appears. Regardless of how stupid or crazy or unlikely these may be, they're still possible. You can't prove them otherwise. And last I checked it is completely legitimate to leave a WZ for IRL problems.

So yeah, go video tape every person who does this and send me proof that they're leaving so they don't get Exp, then we'll have something to talk about instead of you making accusations you can't back up.
I don't need to back up anything. The simple fact is - it's possible.

i'll say it again - the point isn't to punish people for engaging in the exploit - it's to change the way xp is awarded so people can't exploit.

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Seena
12.01.2012 , 07:20 PM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
For some reason your name reminds of Senna the f1 driver.

As for people staying in the sub 50 is pretty boring now that you have those f2p players in there. Most of time they don't know what to do.
If you're suggesting that it's just F2P people who "don't know what to do" - I'd say you were very lucky in terms of who you get grouped with