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4 man heroics - are they too hard?


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Jrea
12.01.2012 , 02:44 AM | #11
Yes, Heroic 4's are way way to hard and are really misleading. They depend way to much on particular class abilities and not about player cooperation. It doesn't matter how well a group works together if you don't have a particular class ability to succeed.

I just tried "Not Afraid Enough" on Voss with a 47 Guardian, a 47 Scoundrel, 48 Sentinel and a 49 Shadow. We were doing awesome up until the last champion boss and his elite pet. It ran like a 2 heroic then tuned into a 16 Operation on the last boss.We had no in combat cc's and the both the Boss and his pet hit way too hard. If we had a in combat 60 cc this would have worked, everything I read on line said that was the way to do it. Basically we wasted half an hour doing this mission just to fail because we didn't have a player that could do in combat crowd control.

An "ability" only usable by one or two classes should not make or break a Hard earned mission!

Too many Heroic 4's are unachievable without Stealth's and/or in combat CC's. We need balance PVE content and to have special class abilities unnecessary the get these missions done.

If you don't need class specific cc's for Hard Mode's and Operations they you shouldn't need them for simple leveling content!

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Ephesia
12.01.2012 , 06:05 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Jrea View Post
Yes, Heroic 4's are way way to hard and are really misleading. They depend way to much on particular class abilities and not about player cooperation. It doesn't matter how well a group works together if you don't have a particular class ability to succeed.

I just tried "Not Afraid Enough" on Voss with a 47 Guardian, a 47 Scoundrel, 48 Sentinel and a 49 Shadow. We were doing awesome up until the last champion boss and his elite pet. It ran like a 2 heroic then tuned into a 16 Operation on the last boss.We had no in combat cc's and the both the Boss and his pet hit way too hard. If we had a in combat 60 cc this would have worked, everything I read on line said that was the way to do it. Basically we wasted half an hour doing this mission just to fail because we didn't have a player that could do in combat crowd control.

An "ability" only usable by one or two classes should not make or break a Hard earned mission!

Too many Heroic 4's are unachievable without Stealth's and/or in combat CC's. We need balance PVE content and to have special class abilities unnecessary the get these missions done.

If you don't need class specific cc's for Hard Mode's and Operations they you shouldn't need them for simple leveling content!
You only refer to 1 particular mob in 1 particular HC 4 Mission in 1 particular planet. That's not enough to call every HC 4 in the game too hard. You are simply not good enough, get over it.
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Petnil
12.01.2012 , 06:44 AM | #13
He does however have a point. If his group can blaze through the hc4 right up to the endboss without any sort of problemm and then spend 30min wiping on endboss, then maybe the endboss is overtuned for that particular hc4. Generally the hc4īs are fairly well tuned. A few of them are realy hard, probably even a bit too hard for their level, but then some are too easy to be called hc4.

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Ephesia
12.01.2012 , 07:06 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Petnil View Post
He does however have a point. If his group can blaze through the hc4 right up to the endboss without any sort of problemm and then spend 30min wiping on endboss, then maybe the endboss is overtuned for that particular hc4. Generally the hc4īs are fairly well tuned. A few of them are realy hard, probably even a bit too hard for their level, but then some are too easy to be called hc4.
Ok, of course that is possible. But calling for a nerf to all HC 4's because of that? Not reasonable.
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kanare
12.01.2012 , 08:47 AM | #15
heroic 4s are not hard at all , all tier 1s can be 2 manned ..... trust me we have done them all ,
and LI can be 3 manned ......... very easy if any thing they need buffing !!!!!! if you find them hard do some normals get some gear , and dont try or expect to do them in green grear ... with 10 k hp , the gear u leveld in ....... they are ment to be a step up from normal modes ..... so if any thing plz make them harder

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Slowpokeking
12.01.2012 , 09:56 AM | #16
Only that one on Belsavis is, the Breaking Down one? That boss mob is too tough.

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lookskywalkur
12.01.2012 , 10:02 AM | #17
Look, they are not hard if you have the right people, gets harder if you dont do it right
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Kitru
12.01.2012 , 10:32 AM | #18
A nearly 1 year necropost? I think that's a record or something.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jrea View Post
Yes, Heroic 4's are way way to hard and are really misleading.
Not really. The leveling H4s are pretty much all simple, toned down FPs: they require specialization, cooperation, and actual intelligent play, rather than just facerolling through. The fact that fewer people run the H4s so they don't know the strats for those bosses that explicitly require them doesn't really mean that they're "too hard" or "misleading".

The Heroic that you're having a problem with requires either CC (for the elite) coupled with the ability to kite intelligently (so that an errant AoE doesn't pop the CC) or a boatload of DPS (to burn the elite down while the tank blows survivability CDs) coupled with people that know how to interrupt as well as the ability to kite when he enrages. The boss for that Heroic is pretty much like the Rakghoul Behemoth from Kaon with an add that has to be CCd or burned and an AoE that needs to be interrupted.
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Theodulus
12.02.2012 , 04:46 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
Only that one on Belsavis is, the Breaking Down one? That boss mob is too tough.
I've been under leveled and soloed exactly all heroics on Belsavis as an assassin tank. I kept both mine and my companion's gear up to date. All heroics are a walk in the park if you can find a competent tank with level appropriate gear and correct itemization.

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Beslley
12.02.2012 , 12:39 PM | #20
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No.
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