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Afraid to put their big boy/girl pants on. Fix this please. Peter Pan isn't in SWTOR

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Atramar
11.29.2012 , 07:12 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
Don't always lose, no. Just said I've been in losses before because of how they acted and they aren't automatically an advantage over the other team because of the way they play. You couldn't see how it was an issue, I pointed out why they are an issue. They either cause a team to lose because they aren't playing objectives, or they'll single out lowbies on the other team to giggle-stomp preventing them from gaining as much as they can from the WZ.
They are 'joker' for their team or wieght. Like every of 8 players in that team, can be either good, best, bad or pure awful. L31 marauder can harras players on spawn, if they are bad...team of 2 stealthers can harras people in WZ too, are 2 stealthers on one team an issue?
You meet better and worse players in WZ there are 8 on each team, deal with it.
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beattlebilly
11.29.2012 , 07:24 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
They are 'joker' for their team or wieght. Like every of 8 players in that team, can be either good, best, bad or pure awful. L31 marauder can harras players on spawn, if they are bad...team of 2 stealthers can harras people in WZ too, are 2 stealthers on one team an issue?
You meet better and worse players in WZ there are 8 on each team, deal with it.
I do deal with it, I either try to avoid them, or if I'm PvP'ing with my husband we gang up on them. Just pointing out the issue with the twinks. Yes, there are bads being being bads that aren't twinks, but the twinks set out to purposely do this sort of thing, using a flawed system to keep themselves in the lowbie bracket. At least the bads let themselves level up and go be bads in lvl 50 WZ's Don't see them around much though, they tend to quit pretty quickly.

Again, just pointing out the issues and the flaws. I wouldn't say the people should be banned, but I think the system should be fixed. Either grant the rewards and experience as you get the medals and/or kills, or separate the PvP more. Or do both. Doesn't have to go every 10 lvl's, could be split into thirds I guess, since when you hit mid 30's you have a better chance against the twinks than when you are mid 20's and lower. Granted, I can still see people twinking out in each of the different brackets, but at least it wouldn't be as big of a gap in skills and abilities in each of the brackets between the low end and high end of them.
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Seena
11.29.2012 , 08:26 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
-.- what do you think the purpose of this thread is? Hopefully for a dev to clarify if this is an exploit or not.

But, as we're all (hopefuly) full grown, logical adaults, I think we can all use those things we call "brains" and do a pretty quick check if something is an exploit.

How does the system work.

Play Warzone.
Warzone ends when X is met (time limit, objectives met, or too few players)
Players are awarded comms, valor, and exp.

How does leveling work.

Finish goal.
Exp fills bar.
When Exp hits certian amount, Level up.

So what you have is someone who is using a warzone, but maliciously ending it prematurely, to circumnavigate the system of completion, rewards, level. The action of leaving in itself is not an exploit, but the intention and the continued abuse of the system is.

As for Dev statements, please find the Dev statement -before- they changed HM Kaon Under Siege, when an -exploit- of the terrian trivialized the turret encounter. We do not need dev's to hold our hands and tell us what we can logically figure out for ourselves.

(In the same way, as I said before, this is the same as abusing the queue system to get an 8 man in non-ranked, or to fight your chosen opponents in ranked. When the group finder rez bug happened, it was still an exploit to use it as a rez during a boss fight. No one got banned, it was an exploit and it was fixed.

Now come on... using logic --- laying it all down clearly and unequivocally - I think it won't matter to those so desperate to maintain the facade that this isn't, in fact, an exploit. (Which many are confusing with "bannable". Not all exploits are bannable - it depends on the implications of the exploit).

Funniest the to me - those arguing FOR this, with repeated posts, also make a disclaimer that they, themselves, don't do it. That just makes me go.. "hmmmmmmm".

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Seena
11.29.2012 , 08:30 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
Maybe not an exploit, but maybe it could be classified as "griefing" or harassment. Those players that go around on PvE servers flagged and stand inside a group of mobs to flag the opposing faction when they attack the mobs aren't getting rewards or gaining anything from what they are doing, but yet they can get in trouble for doing that, right?

http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
It is both an exploit and probably a form of harassment.... I am far more certain about the first, than the second.

Although, there is some credence to the fact that in a sense you are griefing people by using an exploit to not gain XP as intended if it prevents the natural course of a WZ... Hm...... Interesting...

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wetslampigduex
11.29.2012 , 08:37 AM | #175
Sooo, twink a toon out yourself?!?! Not staying quit WZ's and not lvl, but twink your toon out and ROFLstomp the 49 twinks. From what i've encountered these twinks, for the most part, are bads. Bads that can't hack it @ lvl 50 so they stay lowbie and beat on other bads.

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Seena
11.29.2012 , 08:44 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Are you special in the head or something?

Me transferring WH gear that I bought on my main to my alts DIRECTLY affects anyone I pvp with.
Yes I am very special.

You however seem to lack simple reasoning skills.

Transferring armor to another toon is not even close to what's being done when one artificially keeps oneself at 49.

Now, if you level 8 could wear your level 50 armor - you might have a point. But they can't. So, you don't.

Is the act perhaps less than kosher? Perhaps. Should it be stopped? Perhaps.

That doesn't mean the act has the same implications. And that is the crux of the issue.

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Safgril
11.29.2012 , 08:55 AM | #177
simple solution to the OPs problem if Bioware even cares....

proportion xp to how much they played. SO at the end if you finish you get 12k or 20k whatever it is...

if you play 3/4 of the match you get 3/4 of 12k or 20k whatever it is.
if you play 1/2 of the match you get 1/2 of 12k or 20k whatever it is.

this would be an easy fix.

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Seena
11.29.2012 , 09:09 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Safgril View Post
simple solution to the OPs problem if Bioware even cares....

proportion xp to how much they played. SO at the end if you finish you get 12k or 20k whatever it is...

if you play 3/4 of the match you get 3/4 of 12k or 20k whatever it is.
if you play 1/2 of the match you get 1/2 of 12k or 20k whatever it is.

this would be an easy fix.

Agreed- that would definitely work and not punish people who DC unintentionally...

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Seena
11.29.2012 , 09:11 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by wetslampigduex View Post
Sooo, twink a toon out yourself?!?! Not staying quit WZ's and not lvl, but twink your toon out and ROFLstomp the 49 twinks. From what i've encountered these twinks, for the most part, are bads. Bads that can't hack it @ lvl 50 so they stay lowbie and beat on other bads.
I don't need to artificially hold myself at 49 and act badly in order to compete with these people. It isn't their "twinkienes" that, for me is the issue.

Its their affect on groups in warzones. People giving up before the wz even gets going. It's them leaving warzones early and costing wins. By doing what they are doing - it's only making the problem worse, not better.

Also - and imo this is a potential problem as this becomes more widespread (and it is) -- there is already a (mis)conception that lower levels can't compete in warzones. It's pretty common in my experience. As the percentage of level 49s goes artificially up - that is likely to discourages lower levels from playing. And that is unacceptable.

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Seena
11.29.2012 , 09:14 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by beattlebilly View Post
I don't like the gear grind/no time to play excuse. The ones I've seen doing this, the amount of time they spent doing it, if they'd been devoting that time to 50 PvP, they'd have the comms to get their gear. One of them was even asked why they were doing it and they admitted they had a geared 50 but they were bored and wanted to kick *** without a challenge.

When I asked the person who wanted a certain earpiece RE to purple his answer was, "I want the big numbers and to dominate the wz".
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