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Dread Guard Relic of Dark Radiance, Crit Rate, and YOU

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Dread Guard Relic of Dark Radiance, Crit Rate, and YOU

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enoax
11.27.2012 , 12:02 AM | #11
Ran another NiM EC tonight. 20% crit rate on the proc.

Interestingly though, i noticed our sentinel with a 30% melee crit rate only got a crit rate of 20% as well with the corrosive injection proc relic.

I ran a few more parses on my gunslinger vs. the ops dummy. Still getting near 40% crit rates with the proc relic to my 20% crit rate with the sage. I actually got a 30% crit rate with the campaign version though I only ran one parse.

Maybe it's just the gunslinger that's broke lol.

Anyone else have any numbers for different classes using this relic to confirm/ refute my theory?
enoa - sage - harbringer
chauser - gunslinger
crryra - assassin

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verfallen
11.27.2012 , 02:32 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by enoax View Post
Ran another NiM EC tonight. 20% crit rate on the proc.

Interestingly though, i noticed our sentinel with a 30% melee crit rate only got a crit rate of 20% as well with the corrosive injection proc relic.

I ran a few more parses on my gunslinger vs. the ops dummy. Still getting near 40% crit rates with the proc relic to my 20% crit rate with the sage. I actually got a 30% crit rate with the campaign version though I only ran one parse.

Maybe it's just the gunslinger that's broke lol.

Anyone else have any numbers for different classes using this relic to confirm/ refute my theory?

Actually, re-reading I do think I got an explanation, and it would indeed means those relics are broken for force-users.

Its using tech critical rating, regardless of class.

That would be 5%+ critical rating, disregarding your main stat, for around 20%.

Confirm with jug and assassins, and see it tech based class keep an high crit rating on those procs.

Might want to deactivate charges/technique on sins for those, for better result, they share rate limits.

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AdmiralParmesan
11.27.2012 , 03:04 AM | #13
No the real problem is that sorcs don't get ANY benefit to their melee attacks or stats from willpower. Sorcs do however get bonuses from strength. This relic would work fine as is if sorc's actually got the melee stat bonus from willpower like they should

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verfallen
11.27.2012 , 03:30 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralParmesan View Post
No the real problem is that sorcs don't get ANY benefit to their melee attacks or stats from willpower. Sorcs do however get bonuses from strength. This relic would work fine as is if sorc's actually got the melee stat bonus from willpower like they should
Then how do you explain the sentinel's result? They got both force and melee affected by their strenght.

That means the relic does an attack that is considered damage on its own, and not an extension of the attack that made it happen.

From the info, its something gunslinger has, and neither sent or sorc got, and all "unrelated moves" in the game (valor-unlockable melee "attacks" have been put down as tech. Makes sense that they might have coded the damage as "tech" coming from an item.

I bet it procs yellow numbers, right?

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Larry_Dallas
11.27.2012 , 01:14 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by enoax View Post
Ran another NiM EC tonight. 20% crit rate on the proc.

Interestingly though, i noticed our sentinel with a 30% melee crit rate only got a crit rate of 20% as well with the corrosive injection proc relic.

I ran a few more parses on my gunslinger vs. the ops dummy. Still getting near 40% crit rates with the proc relic to my 20% crit rate with the sage. I actually got a 30% crit rate with the campaign version though I only ran one parse.

Maybe it's just the gunslinger that's broke lol.

Anyone else have any numbers for different classes using this relic to confirm/ refute my theory?
Hmm...what spec is the sent? If he's combat, that blows the idea that it's using weapon damage out of the water. If it's watchman, there could still be some weirdness such as the internal relic using tech damage or something.

I'd like to see what a pyro merc or van parses with a dread guard internal proc relic.

I've got a van tank I could respec, but, alas, no DG relic until I get the schem on my artifice.

I'm wondering if, perhaps, the similar damage type relics (internal/elemental) use the crit rate for different attack types. As in, if a force user were to use the elemental relic instead of the internal one, would it crit correctly?

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enoax
11.27.2012 , 04:18 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
Hmm...what spec is the sent? If he's combat, that blows the idea that it's using weapon damage out of the water. If it's watchman, there could still be some weirdness such as the internal relic using tech damage or something.

I'd like to see what a pyro merc or van parses with a dread guard internal proc relic.

I've got a van tank I could respec, but, alas, no DG relic until I get the schem on my artifice.
Yeah, I've tried to sift through some parses on torparse 'statistics' but haven't been lucky enough to find one (wish you could separate NiM and HM with torparse statistics) with the new relics. I'll keep looking. I would also like to see a BH/trooper or a shadow/sin parse to see how the crit is affected. I do have a sin but i dont think i have enough coms to buy the relic just yet. Maybe i'll grind some and see if i can figure it out in the next few days... assuming i can sell it back after the testing since i want the tanky ones first ><.

Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
I'm wondering if, perhaps, the similar damage type relics (internal/elemental) use the crit rate for different attack types. As in, if a force user were to use the elemental relic instead of the internal one, would it crit correctly?
excellant question
enoa - sage - harbringer
chauser - gunslinger
crryra - assassin

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enoax
11.27.2012 , 09:46 PM | #17
actually had enough coms on my sin to buy the relics. Did two 10 min parses with the internal and two 10 mins with the kinetic:

http://www.torparse.com/a/58690

My stats (running balance): 37.57% melee crit; 36.48% force crit

Internal proc: ~22% crit rate
Kinetic proc: ~18% crit rate

Difference is probably RNG.

I did parses with my gunslinger both in dirty fighting (high bleed crit rates) and SS (no bleed benefits) and it made no difference ... 39-43% crit rates.

I'm starting to think it's based on tech crit chance on melee crit chance like I had originally proposed. So all force uses are disadvantaged.

Just need a trooper/BH to confirm.

EDIT: Found a commando on torparse using internal proc relic. Crit rates are 30-40% for the most part. Have no idea his stats
http://www.torparse.com/search?s=anonymous
enoa - sage - harbringer
chauser - gunslinger
crryra - assassin

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deadandburied
11.28.2012 , 07:36 AM | #18
Internal=tech
Kinetic=tech
Elemental=force
Energy=force

Test the Elemental one sages and sorcs. It should work fine. But confirmation needed.

We just did a bunch of commando testing and verified Internal and Kinetic are using tech crit%. Elemental and Energy crit rate was horribe. So we assume it's using Force crit%.
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schnopsnosn
11.28.2012 , 12:24 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by deadandburied View Post
Internal=tech
Kinetic=tech
Elemental=force
Energy=force

Test the Elemental one sages and sorcs. It should work fine. But confirmation needed.

We just did a bunch of commando testing and verified Internal and Kinetic are using tech crit%. Elemental and Energy crit rate was horribe. So we assume it's using Force crit%.
I tested it back then when only the Rakata-relics were available and I can definitely say that at least Elemental works for Sorcs.

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LoL-K-Noob
11.28.2012 , 12:46 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by deadandburied View Post
Internal=tech
Kinetic=tech
Elemental=force
Energy=force

Test the Elemental one sages and sorcs. It should work fine. But confirmation needed.

We just did a bunch of commando testing and verified Internal and Kinetic are using tech crit%. Elemental and Energy crit rate was horribe. So we assume it's using Force crit%.
WHat the hell, what a freaking waste of 300 comms. This is stupid. I guess its wrong to asumme internal relic would be for an internal type damage user