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Kaggath Series: Darth Traya vs Revan

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Kaggath Series: Darth Traya vs Revan

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Airmo
11.27.2012 , 07:52 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
True, but that could defeat Revan as well.

We've settled on the fact that such a battle between the two would take place on Malachor. The Dark energies, combined with Traya's manipulation skills, would be Revan's downfall. He would fall to the Dark Side and Traya would win.
And why is that? Why would Revan willingly go to Malachor when he could just blow it up from space? This is post Shadow Generator Malahcor right? He would obviously sense the Dark Side energies and not be foolish enough to go there, at least, not without a plan.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:54 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Again, that's not what Kreia says.
Very true, but she may be wrong.

Traya has some of the most powerful abilities in existence. Compare these to Jedi Knight Revan's abilities and you can see that Traya would win.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:56 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
And why is that? Why would Revan willingly go to Malachor when he could just blow it up from space? This is post Shadow Generator Malahcor right? He would obviously sense the Dark Side energies and not be foolish enough to go there, at least, not without a plan.
Post Mandalorian Wars Malachor poses a dangerous threat to Starships so he can't just blow it up.

There's only so much you can do against a Nexus of Dark Side energies.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Warren-Stride
11.27.2012 , 07:57 PM | #94
Why are we even debating Jedi Knight Revan? Aren't they supposed to be at the height of their power? Revan was far more powerful (both personally and with his power base) as a Sith.

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Airmo
11.27.2012 , 07:59 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Post Mandalorian Wars Malachor poses a dangerous threat to Starships so he can't just blow it up.

There's only so much you can do against a Nexus of Dark Side energies.
Then he could just use the MSG again couldn't he? Didn't he have it's creator with him at that point?


He would probably figure it out, the first time it got to him because he wasn't prepared.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:59 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
Why are we even debating Jedi Knight Revan? Aren't they supposed to be at the height of their power? Revan was far more powerful (both personally and with his power base) as a Sith.
It is Revan in control of the Republic fleet at the time of the Mandalorian Wars. This is when he is a Jedi Knight.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:59 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Then he could just use the MSG again couldn't he? Didn't he have it's creator with him at that point?


He would probably figure it out, the first time it got to him because he wasn't prepared.
One of the rules is no superweapons, so no MSG.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Airmo
11.27.2012 , 08:01 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
One of the rules is no superweapons, so no MSG.
Doh. Right, forgot.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 08:12 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Doh. Right, forgot.
Now there is a way for Revan to win this. But it would require a lot of things to line up perfectly.

First, Revan has to be able to quickly counter the Sith Assassins after their first strike. This is possible, but nothing is ever certain. If he can at least severely limit the Assassins capabilities, he can keep his fleet in shape.

Second, he has to keep his soldiers up to par psychologically. The threat of the Assassins still remains, which can cause psychological issues for the men. It is quite possible for Revan to keep his men sane.

Third, he has to take out the Ravager. The Ravager is Traya's greatest military weapon. If Revan can trap the Ravager and destroy it, he gains a huge step towards victory.

Fourth, he has to ensure the loyalty of his men. This is nearly impossible. Traya can use the Dark Side to manipulate a large faction of Revan's top officials over to her side, or even turn Revan's allies against him. If Revan can keep his men loyal, he takes another step towards victory.

Fifth, He needs the forces to take Malachor. This is not easy. The number of Sith at the Academy will not easily fall. If he can rally the necessary forces to attack Malachor, he can win.

Sixth, he has to be able to beat Traya. Again, not easy, almost impossible. In an all-out battle, Traya gets the benefit of Malachor's Dark energies in addition to her ability to Sever Force and drain Force. If Revan can beat her, it will be through lightsaber skill. But that didn't save Kavar, who is a better duelist than Traya in my opinion. Fighting Traya is an uphill battle and almost impossible to win.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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BlazingShadow
11.27.2012 , 08:39 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Perhaps. Doesn't mean she would use it, she is a talker.
wat? What kind of argument is this?

She is a teacher, so yes, she does talk, but she does more than talk, she's not some overblown windbag, she built the sith Triumverate, put two of the most powerful perversions of nature under her command and when they overthrew her, as all Sith do, she humbled them right back down with the crew of a small stock freighter. She used every bit of power available to her but not without reason, she did not wantonly drain planets like Nihilus which ultimately was HIS downfall. She did not just wantonly sever every force-user from the force, that would give up her abilities of discression and deception.