Will the Mary Sue factor be dialled down in chapter 4?

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Will the Mary Sue factor be dialled down in chapter 4?

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DarthTHC

11.27.2012 , 02:29 PM \| #91	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus Well yes, if you remove plot, character development, interpersonal relationships, motives, and background from a story basically everything can be distilled into the hero's journey. Your point? Actually, it's all pretty unoriginal. The only cool thing Lucas did (with ep IV anyway) is to set it in space with glowbats. The character development is uninspired. The motives are the same as every story. Background is derivative. The only mildly entertaining point of the whole thing was when we learned the kiss before swinging across the silly-deep chasm was between bro and sis, but that wasn't until another movie. Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie. But boiled down, it really was the same old EVERYTHING except setting.

Vandicus

11.27.2012 , 02:33 PM \| #92	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC Actually, it's all pretty unoriginal. The only cool thing Lucas did (with ep IV anyway) is to set it in space with glowbats. The character development is uninspired. The motives are the same as every story. Background is derivative. The only mildly entertaining point of the whole thing was when we learned the kiss before swinging across the silly-deep chasm was between bro and sis, but that wasn't until another movie. Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie. But boiled down, it really was the same old EVERYTHING except setting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth Your description is applicable to nearly every story if we're talking about originality.
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CosmicKat

11.27.2012 , 02:36 PM \| #93	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus Well yes, if you remove plot, character development, interpersonal relationships, motives, and background from a story basically everything can be distilled into the hero's journey. Your point? His point was that the original movie is a classic fairy tale. That's exactly why it was so good. Plot, character development and interpersonal relationships are completely secondary and as such, the glaring holes in them are not noticable or detrimental to the tale.

Slowpokeking

11.27.2012 , 02:38 PM \| #94	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC A wise but aged knight in shining armor takes a farmboy in whom he sees great potential as a squire. On their travels they encounter a swashbuckler and somehow wind up entangled with him. The knight's mission is to save the princess from the evil wizard's tower, which they do. The princess is so irked at the evil wizard that she subsequently sends the knight, his squire, and the swashbuckler back to the tower, to destroy it. Which again, they do. THE END So A hobbit taken by a wise but aged wizard(Maia) to fight a war and save the world from some ancient evil. On their travels they encountered elves, dwarves and human heroes.He was in danger but finally finished the mission. That's something new? And that's not the end of OT.

Slowpokeking

11.27.2012 , 02:40 PM \| #95	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat His point was that the original movie is a classic fairy tale. That's exactly why it was so good. Plot, character development and interpersonal relationships are completely secondary and as such, the glaring holes in them are not noticable or detrimental to the tale. If it stopped there, you can call it classic fairy tale. But did it?

Vandicus

11.27.2012 , 02:42 PM \| #96	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat His point was that the original movie is a classic fairy tale. That's exactly why it was so good. Plot, character development and interpersonal relationships are completely secondary and as such, the glaring holes in them are not noticable or detrimental to the tale. Now I'm even more lost. When did classic fairy tails come into the equation?
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LegendaryBlade

11.27.2012 , 02:42 PM \| #97	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandi Not a Sith Lord. A member of the dark council. Jango got owned by Windu like a child who threw rocks at a bull. The outcome would be the same as Han shooting Vader. I mean, sure, it might happen if you get the drop on them, but you don't. You stroll in, shake your fist angrily and start shooting after they have their weapon out. It's STOOPID Bobba Fett beat Vader. Twice. Cad Bane held off two Jedi at the same time, and would of won if not for plot armor. HK-49 describes in detail how a regular person could defeat a jedi. Infact, he said non force sensitive people are, in many cases, the best people for the job if properly trained. The lore is full of regular people beating Jedi, we just don't see it much because the force sensitive is often the main character or primary antagonist and Lucas is a bad writer.
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Slowpokeking

11.27.2012 , 02:43 PM \| #98	Quote
Beowulf: A great hero and dragonslayer Siegfried: A great hero and dragonslayer Hercules: A great hero and hydraslayer So they are also unoriginal?

ptwonline

11.27.2012 , 02:44 PM \| #99	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC Actually, it's all pretty unoriginal. The only cool thing Lucas did (with ep IV anyway) is to set it in space with glowbats. The character development is uninspired. The motives are the same as every story. Background is derivative. The only mildly entertaining point of the whole thing was when we learned the kiss before swinging across the silly-deep chasm was between bro and sis, but that wasn't until another movie. Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie. But boiled down, it really was the same old EVERYTHING except setting. It doesn't need to be that original. You can have the most mundane and overused of plots (boy meets girl, boy and girl fall in love, boy loses girl, boy finds girl, happily ever after) but with good writing and good execution you can have a very successful story.

Slowpokeking

11.27.2012 , 02:46 PM \| #100	Quote
Even LotR's plot share some similarity with the ancient hero epics. Such as The Witch King's fall is similar to Macbeth, Aragorn is similar to many great heroes like king Arthur.

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