Will the Mary Sue factor be dialled down in chapter 4?

I know it, since it's not Sue, why is SW Sue?

BioWare are famous for having over heroic characters.

Shepard. 1 man manages to bring together an entire universe to battle the greatest threat they have ever seen. Not only that but at one point he comes back from the dead.

The galaxy would obviously be doomed by this one single man not being around. No one else in the history of ever in the Mass Efeect 'verse would be able to do it.

The Grey Warden. Pick an origin and within an hour you are the best warden EVER and the only one capable of stopping this terrible blight and killing the Arch Demon.



Indeed magic quote fairy ... HOWEVER ... you have only been a warden for 5 minutes and are the junior member behind a fully combat trained ex Templar who suddenly wishes to follow a rookie with no previous experience into battle.

BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE.

The best thing to do with BioWare games games is to suspend disbelief and go along for the ride.

While the stories may be about as far fetched as they come they are worth going through.

hahah yeah guess the previous poster forgot that said simple farmboy had a battlefleet / armada with him AND had hax because he was a jedi and used the force for targetting. That farmboy also had yrs of experience shooting womp rats..which is the same thing as blowing up a deathstar..so theres that.

Didn't see that much planning other then, "Hey everyone, glad you could make the time to come here this morning. So we have the plans to the Death Star. See this spot riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight here? We need to shoot it and the station will explode. Any questions? Good. May the force be with us."

There is your "lots of planning."

Still, not sure why anything listed so far is an issue other than to just complain in this thread. I didn't feel Gary sue(ish) at all with my Trooper. I simple felt like the next best thing since Malcom. Everyone is the "top of their class" so yeah, a new [insert class] with a fresh mind using new tactics defeating their enemies....makes sence.

Because Tolkien was a master of fantasy (and character) who will be seen as a master of fantasy 500 years from now and George Lucas is a pulp writer who is seen as a master of selling toys?

I know it, since it's not Sue, why is SW Sue?

I'm not arguing that Star Wars has Sue style characters. My one and only point is that some stories, both in Star Wars and in other titles, have characters that "stretch belief" if you will.

Like I said with Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

For those that read modern fantasy you may know of David Gemmell who wrote the Druss and Waylander books. Druss being a woodsman that ends up an almost invincible axeman able to take on small armies on his own. He is still able to do so in his old age when it took a poisoned blade to weaken him and even then he keeps bloody fighting.

Waylander, the king of assassins. Able to kill any target anywhere. Ends up being injured and healed by a mystical creature that rapidly slows down his ageing process. Considering his age has been slowed down, he reaches a point where he has gone grey and wrinkled (some say in his hundreds) and he's still able to outkill younger assassins and creatures from other dimensions.

Every style of fantasy has characters that come across far more "powerful" than the average. It's done to make heroes not sue's.

Not many people want to read a book or watch a film about Bob the accountant and his everyday life. They want to read/watch about people like themselves that rise up into something more. Or about already great people taking on some big bad somewhere.

They want to forget about their lives and see a different world. That's what makes Science Fiction and Fantasy perfect for some people.

It can be argued (as it is being done here) that some of those characters are sue like but that's what makes it good.

Some characters are far fetched but with Science Fiction and Fantasy, some degree of belief suspension is required.

He had not completed his training yet, he truly became a knight in EP VI. Also most of his teams got shot down at that time.

Most of the characters were much better trained before this.

So that's the answer, it depend on how good you make the story and build the character. But even Tolkien's characters fit quite a few "Sue" traits such as royal bloodline, the ability to resist the One Ring.

Then what's wrong with Luke in the movies, and why did people blame Bioware for make characters heroes?

What's wrong with non force users kill Sith Lords? Jango/Boba Fett could make threat to many of the Council members.

And you are not some random smuggler at that time.