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New Dreadguard Relics?

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New Dreadguard Relics?
 

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KostonxEld
11.23.2012 , 01:20 AM | #1
I have a relic question to the healers, mainly sage/sorc healers. I just bought the DG Boundless Ages relic, the plus 350 power clicky one. The question is for my other slot relic. I was using the matrix cube till recently when I decided to try my battle master one. 103power is great even with the wasted expertise on it.
Now should I be looking to get the War Hero one and Elite War Hero one soon, or should I go with one of those DG healer proc ones. 505 health over 3 secs every 20 secs sounds good but it will be mostly be overhealing anyways. What's best?
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Darth_Dreselus
11.23.2012 , 03:35 PM | #2
Just had the same conversation with healers in my guild and this is what we came up with:

TL;DR - keep WH, get EWH when it comes out (120pwr each)

We felt that the activated power one could definitely be of use, giving you on demand burst. However, healing that actually requires use of such a boost is already chaotic enough and adding one more thing to watch out for (the cd) may be onerous. Furthermore, if you only use it on burst phases you may only utilise it once or twice per fight, not giving you much in terms of power increase. It could be a bit better if used constantly on cd but again that is something you may need to watch out for and in fact it may not always be suitable to do so as it may come off cd when the fight is not healing intensive.

The proc relic is just bad. Sure the extra healing is nice, and works great if you are just healing a tank but you are never just healing a tank. You cannot control when the relic will proc. I have had it proc on CC'd targets, DPS I was just topping up with Rejuvenate (which was already overheal) and it is even worse with Salvation as it can easily proc on the 1 person standing in it that is already at full health.

Matrix Cube is worse than WH now and will be even worse with EWH.

Simply put, I will take the constant increase to power (240 points for Pete's sake!!!) any day. I have Force Potency for burst and I don't even use triage adrenals, never needed that much burst.

For DPS the power/proc combo is now apparently BiS but that is not your question.
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KostonxEld
11.24.2012 , 12:48 AM | #3
Ya i try to use the clicky power relic as much as I can. Figured the proc relic was crap too. I hope they update the matrix cube again and increase the stats. They need to keep updating those every few times they add new relics I think. Puts the drive to get the datacrons in people
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KeyboardNinja
11.24.2012 , 10:46 AM | #4
The proc relic is amazing in terms of throughput numbers, but the lack of control is its downfall. If it only proc'd on targets at low health, it would be awesome and definitely the way to go. The healing it contributes is quite a bit more than what you get from the PvP relics. It's just…uncontrollable.

What's interesting is the activated DG relics now contribute more power over time (when used on CD) than even the elite war hero relics. So, current best in slot would be the activated power and the EWH static power relics.
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NoFishing
11.26.2012 , 12:48 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Dreselus View Post
The proc relic is just bad. Sure the extra healing is nice, and works great if you are just healing a tank but you are never just healing a tank. You cannot control when the relic will proc. I have had it proc on CC'd targets, DPS I was just topping up with Rejuvenate (which was already overheal) and it is even worse with Salvation as it can easily proc on the 1 person standing in it that is already at full health.
Quoting for truth. I'd be perfectly happy with a proc relic that would always heal me (a sage), or heal the lowest party member. But a proc'ing on a random person who may or may not need healing is just stupid.

EDIT: I feel the same about the tanking proc relics. They sound great, but I'd rather a tank equip a clicky to use as an additional cool down.

There are certain fights where a clicky relic would be helpful, mostly where you can expect large raid-wide damage and you want salvation to heal as much as possible. For example, the burn phases on the 1st and 4th bosses in TfB, maybe the last boss in LI (although that place is pretty freaking easy now!). For those, dropping salvation and hitting your relic and healing adrenal could be the difference between killing the boss with everyone alive or a wipe.

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Aurojiin
11.26.2012 , 04:34 PM | #6
My take for heals is always on-use + static Power relics.

If you're in near-BiS gear you're definitely not short on sustained HPS for all encounters in the game. The on-use relic gives you an appreciable oh-crap button for tough situation, which I personally find much more useful.

As a biochem, popping an adrenal + relic and getting 805 power is quite lulzy.
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shadowflit
11.26.2012 , 06:52 PM | #7
Definitely one DG power and one WH power for me. You don't lose a lot of power, and you gain on demand burst.

I made it through the NiM Keph trandoshan phase without hitting relic and adrenal a few times, but it was vastly easier when I bumped up my healing output towards the end of that phase. Similarly with Keph up until 60%.

The only time I like the proc relic at all is when I'm in a Huttball. While I'm running around I spam the little instant heals on myself (rejuv, cleanse) and the proc's static increase is better than a percent in that situation. I didn't care enough to ever buy a WH proc relic though, this was ages ago when I had the proc from KP.
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DrSodrel
01.02.2013 , 01:38 PM | #8
Bodyguard here - I currently still use Matrix cube, the +AIM is much more valuable than onclick or passive +120 power. I use that with a EWH for the other slot. It also allows me to get more power from not having to have as much crit on other pieces.

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01.02.2013 , 02:26 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by DrSodrel View Post
the +AIM is much more valuable
You're claiming that 66 Aim and 27 Crit are more valuable than 120 Power. Even with the 9% additional Aim from talents, you're claiming that 72 Aim and 27 Crit provide more healing than 120 power. Even with a remarkably high 1.1 coefficient of value for Aim (i.e. you value Aim 10% higher than you do crit or power), that's ~106 points compared to 120. The Matrix Cube is only on par with Columi tier gear. Anything Rakata, Campaign, or DG is going to be better.
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TheLoneDruid
01.03.2013 , 12:49 PM | #10
While I agree with what Aurojiin has said about the on-click power relic, the on-click power relic is better only if you use it immediately when it is off cooldown (which in some fights is useless) as this is the only way for the relic to provide a higher amount of power in the fight.

The true answer lies with what Darth_Dreselus mentioned his healers spoke about saying the static power is the best in slot no matter the class. If someone was to need bust healing the adrenal is more than enough for any situation and so I would never truly recommend getting the on-click power relic.

The passive power is nice on the relic and has made it a viable and the best choice for DPS but it still is not something worthwhile for healers as healing is very situation based and can't reliably be predicted all the time. For my healers (I have one of each) I use the static power relics as they offer the best numbers in the long run and if a situation arises where I need burst healing I will use an adrenal and it has been able to get me through any rough spots.
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