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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Xanas
11.25.2012 , 08:38 AM | #1161
Hi all.

Got back to this game some time(around a mounth i belive?) ago and leveled a sage to lvl 50. Had a lvl 50 Guardian before that but i wanted something new.
Really had fun with the pvp as i leveled and actualy had more fun in it then in wow (don't jump on me please :P).

Thing is i got to level 50... For some 3 days now i won a great number of 3 games out of 30 (not sure but around so). You are free not to belive me of course.

Got so many premades its not even funny. Take last game. Played on Alderan Civil War. Imps captured all 3 turrets really fast and then they where w8ting for us at the start point (where you get off the speeder). I was tring to get some damage in to get medals but bounty hunters/shadows(forgot the imps name of the class) where pulling us in and 2,3 shooting us (the entire team from below) over and over and over and OVER AGAIN.

I seriously have NO problem with getting owned in pvp to the point i have gear... Thing is i have the recruit thing + 4 BM parts... I really don't die that much and i can kite a lot. I run behind my team and so on. This is NOT a problem... Thing is not winning, getting stomped over and over its ... Horible...

Then the last part is... Aparently people like to group up and go in normal WZ and farm people... This is NOT what i whant to do after i get geared up... Not even sure i can find people to do rated and aparently the ques are HORIBLE there because people farm and have fun grieving people in normals...

My sub ends on 18 of december... That is when i stop playing. Hate to go back to wow as i am SO bored of it but there i can go in a random BG and face randoms 95%+ of the time (playing with 1-2 friends does not count). Then i can do ranked PVP after... Got so damn bored of that game but aparently its the only option curently... I even tried GW 2 but i don't like it. I find PVP on swtor way better aside from the crep matchmaking system...

Thank you for taking the time to read this and if i come out like "change it or i quit" stuff i am sorry but i just felt like putting my pain here... They should really give you an option to fight random people. A que where only solo people can que... Then a group play where the rewards or something are better... Or better find a way to get group to que for ranked. Look at wow, no need to force people to single que when people go to ranked because the rewards and raiting...

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Feeblezak
11.25.2012 , 09:02 AM | #1162
There should be a pre-made only queue. That way Pre-mades will only be queued with pre-mades and they will never get games, leaving the rest of us free to enjoy pvp.
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alexzk
11.25.2012 , 10:41 AM | #1163
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
Premades- just premade queues would be too long since there's not enough people interested in actual competition.
Why everybody mention this ? If it will happen then it means nobody wants it. So solos are majority. And system must take care of majority. Minority can split and do solo as well. It will force minority to recrut newbies into guilds to make queues, like "we will give u 100k each day during 2 weeks if u will do premades with us" .

Whatever, current WZs were intended to gear up for world-wide pvp. Now it is broken, so best use of it is solo pugging. And majority understands it.
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Arkerus
11.25.2012 , 11:42 AM | #1164
People who play in constant premades will do a anything to make it sound like they do it for any reason but "we like stomping all over pugs."
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LeonHawkeye
11.25.2012 , 11:57 AM | #1165
Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
Wait arguing that long ques lead to people leaving the game is just ignorant? Even when I specifically stated it was opinion. Hmm. Now as I said I don't have the reports that BW gathers when people unsub, but I seem to remember once que times got over 5 minutes they pretty quickly got up to fifteen, (because more people gave up / logged off / unsubbed), which quickly turned them into 30+ minute ques. Do you not remember the origin servers? I many not be RIGHT, but ignortant? No more so than anyone else without BW's unsub reason data, and my opinion looks pretty justifyable based on the explination I just gave even if it is incorrect, which we don't know.
That was an entirely different problem, and not one we will face again unless we have a mass exodus of the game as an entity and not just a particular server. Back then the origin servers were so vast in number that the population was literally sprinkled far too thin, many servers peaked at 50-100 players online at any particular time (server wide, not just fleet), with perhaps half of that actually queuing for PvP, no where near enough to support a healthy pool for Warzones of any kind, this is what caused the disgusting problem we had back then, the abundance of problems this caused snowballed onto itself and pushed many to leave Warzones permanently and some even to simply quit the game. With the recent server merges, even the least populated realms have 150-200+ on average, peaking at around 500+ and hitting 60-100 at their lowest. These are fleet only numbers, the overall server population is obviously much, much higher and the total number of people queuing can also be much higher and or lower but we'll use these as baseline measures for the population health of a server. As you can see, just our Fleet only population is enough to overshadow the entire server population of what the origin servers could muster.

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AmazoX
11.25.2012 , 12:22 PM | #1166
Warzones are unplayable by solos...

I'm playing solo on warzones for three days and i won TWO TIMES ! TWO **** TIMES !

They NEED to separete GROUP Warzones from SOLO Warzones...
It's common seeing 0 x 10 on Huttball or people killing 30 and dying 0...

I'm starting to invite random people only to be able to enter in the group team...
And guess what? I won almost all of the matchs...

Solo warzone is 90% chance of loosing.

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TridusSWTOR
11.25.2012 , 12:44 PM | #1167
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
I'd like to see your psychological studies on the matter, in following the scientific process to the letter, that 1 match is enough to make enough subscribers quit. Unil then, it is not undeniable.

Split queue's have several issues that a matchmaking system doesn't have. Backfilling, filling for partial premades, the highest potential queue times, highest potential players unable to play, highest allowance for mediocrity, discourages community building... etc... Even if you think you can discredit the queue times issue, you still have atleast 4 other logistical and moral issues.

Matchmaking allows for backfilling and filling of partial premades, and since you say queue times aren't an issue with cross server, than they won't be with matchmaking. Once in a blue moon will there be a "mismatched and unfair match" by the system design.

And if one more person calls me narrowed minded because I don't agree with them, I'm probably going to laugh myself to death. I don't know what you've experience in your life, but I can tell you I've dealt with actual real life issues that require an open mind and a sense of empathy. Not feeling bad for people who refuse to be social is nothing compared to those.
This game already has matchmaking. Answer the following:

Are you a dev of this game?
Do you know the current matchmaking code?
Do you have facts and data to prove that the current matchmaking isn't working?

The answers to these are probably no. The truth is, matchmaking is more of the same.

What are we getting with the more of the same? Well you can log in and see for yourself AKA dead ranked queue's due to lack of competitive nature from premades, hence why they rather pug stomp.

When you say you want better matchmaking, you just want things the way they are. Which isn't working, kinda the reason why people are leaving PVP. You want more competition? Then lure more people into PVP, it's simple.

Bad suggestion is bad.

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filipesantana
11.25.2012 , 01:13 PM | #1168
People dont understand that they loose because the big majority of these "solo" players are bad...and bad+bad does not = good...

And thats exactly the problem, poeple avoid playing in teams..avoid learnign from others...avoid building synergie with a team and then xpect to get better?!not going to happen....

been around long enough to see it proven over...and over...and over again.Take WOW for example...all those World pvp, solo heroes...e-famous movie makers form Vanila wow...how many of them actualy succeeeded in rated pvp where skill is required?almost none....I love being in a team and having people giving me tips..showing me how to play better and improve, that ultimately will make me a better player...

this people complain about premades, BW gives them solo queue, they will keep being bad and when they are done with the egar farm they will cry about not getting into a team for rwz...and will start asking for rwz solo queue (and i have seen this already) which is the ultimate non sense retardness ...

The problem is NOT in solo queu vs premades...its in the amount of people not wanting to let the pvp comunity improve..not wanting to improve themselvs and choosing instead to blame people that team up and use tema play to succeed...IN A TEAM PVP SCENARIO ON A MMO(SOCIAL INTERACTION REQUIRED)


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DarthRaika
11.25.2012 , 01:30 PM | #1169
I don't want swtor pvp to die and I think it will if it stays as is so if x server isn't a possibility then I would go with split q at this point. However, if you do split q with the current system current premades will get in vent and q up at the same time and often get on the same team.

However, if we make a simple matchmaking system WITH MIXED FACTION TEAMS then that won't happen. Also, think about whether the times you are angry about premades are you really angry about only 1 premade? No, likely you are facing several different ones. This system would stop this and it would def stop the sync q which happens sometimes. With the lowered gear gap of 1.6 and if they did something like this I think our problems would be fixed. I would also be fine now with a wait of up to 10mins for premades. Hopefully it would be faster (and most of the time it would) but this way it would be pretty rare for premades to fight a pug (and I think more rare than it would be if we do split q because its pretty easy to game the current system)

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DarthSabreth
11.25.2012 , 01:32 PM | #1170
Its falling on Deaf ears, 117 pages in this thread and not one reply from BW, they could care less about pugs getting rolled in wz's by premades.
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