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Canon ten most powerful Jedi and Sith.

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MasterMe
11.22.2012 , 03:33 PM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
I will admit to putting a tone on, but if I get treated with the same sense of tone or get accused of something, I'm not going to be a Jedi about it...
I can understand that.

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SoonerJBD
11.22.2012 , 08:55 PM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
You really do not get the point of how WE compare canonical abilities do you? how hard is this to get? you take the purely canonical powers and abilities and match them to the powers and abilities that other characters have and then through those canonical abilities determine the winner, do you understand yet or... ? because they have entire youtube channels like yarealpoof and jensarai who do exactly this, it's like a game with certain rules, we are playing that game, this is how it works, do I need to explain this further or?
I understand how the game works. My problem is, as others have identified, the tone in which these things are said. This game is necessarily speculative. What you are doing is putting forward an opinion based on what we know of the characters and their abilities. What bothers me is when someone puts forward their opinion as fact and then insults anyone who disagrees with it. You are welcome to say you think Exar Kun or Darth Sion or whoever would beat Revan, and here is why. But recognize that this is necessarily an opinion statement, not canon. If someone thinks Revan is one spot ahead of Darth Sion and one spot below Exar Kun on their list, that doesn't make them a mouth-breathing caveman.

I honestly don't care what your conclusions are. If you'll notice, I've said before I wouldn't put Revan on any of these Top 10 lists. The post-ROTJ characters are too overpowered, and we have too many planet-killing nigh invincible Sith because they make good characters and you need a seemingly unbeatable bad guy for the story to seem epic.

It's not the conclusion that bothers me. It's the arrogance.

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11.23.2012 , 06:14 AM | #153
It is still cool and a definite sign of transcendetal intellect to say that Revan is less powerful than everyone thinks he is. The further down a list one can place Revan, and the more speculative statements about how much Revan just sucks one can construct, the cooler and more of a *********** genius one is.
That is why we have this competition.

Revan is a messed-up weakling who would wet himself if anybody uttered the words "Force lightning!"!

Which place did I come in on?

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MasterMe
11.23.2012 , 07:11 AM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by Andge View Post
It is still cool and a definite sign of transcendetal intellect to say that Revan is less powerful than everyone thinks he is. The further down a list one can place Revan, and the more speculative statements about how much Revan just sucks one can construct, the cooler and more of a *********** genius one is.
That is why we have this competition.

Revan is a messed-up weakling who would wet himself if anybody uttered the words "Force lightning!"!

Which place did I come in on?
Whatever. Either you truly think that Revan is that bad for some reason, or you want to start another heated debate.

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MyDarkSunshine
11.23.2012 , 07:29 AM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Andge View Post
It is still cool and a definite sign of transcendetal intellect to say that Revan is less powerful than everyone thinks he is. The further down a list one can place Revan, and the more speculative statements about how much Revan just sucks one can construct, the cooler and more of a *********** genius one is.
That is why we have this competition.

Revan is a messed-up weakling who would wet himself if anybody uttered the words "Force lightning!"!

Which place did I come in on?
First, for nice use of satire. At least, given how effectively Revan has countered Force lightning in the past, I hope it was satire.
"Who I am is not important- my message is." Revan

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mefit
11.23.2012 , 09:07 AM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by Andge View Post
It is still cool and a definite sign of transcendetal intellect to say that Revan is less powerful than everyone thinks he is. The further down a list one can place Revan, and the more speculative statements about how much Revan just sucks one can construct, the cooler and more of a *********** genius one is.
That is why we have this competition.

Revan is a messed-up weakling who would wet himself if anybody uttered the words "Force lightning!"!

Which place did I come in on?
Well you just said what Anti Revan people want us all to believe , I believe you touched every Anti Revan to their very Soul . I am sure a tear rolled down the OP's eye as the OP read this ! Good Show my man ,Good show !

Let me add more to this ,
Revan didn't Cut off Malek's Jaw , really what happen is Malek was shaving with his lightsaber ! Saddly not enough toilet Papper for that Cut so he removed his Jaw .

Revan didn't beat the Mando's , they were sleepying and decided to go home !

Really when Revan killed that SithLord with her own lightning , it was really just suicide . She knew Revan would redirect it back at her . She was depressed and their is no Depression call in centers for the Sith .

Revan's lightsaber skills didn't exist , he really wielded a stick with one end painted .

Keira was really the Special Ed Jedi Master ..............Poor Revan was in the Yellow Short Bus Classes !

Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Whatever. Either you truly think that Revan is that bad for some reason, or you want to start another heated debate.
Sarcasim , at this point this is all you can do in this thread !

In the Army , they teach you that your enemies are likely more than you would think them to be . That you should always go in thinking that if it can happen it will . I think Malek learned two times that he was wrong in thinking Revan was weak. Those fights according to the Anti Revan Bunch must have been bad days for Malek and if those were good days he would have won right ?
But in this thread , lack of knowing leads to thinking that a person like Revan is a Character of nothing and those who do not like him or his fan base should think Revan is a Lesser Jedi to even those who followed him .
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11.23.2012 , 09:21 AM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
But apparently said method is useless when comparing Revan to someone. Apparently we don't "know" enough. Even though we know plenty enough to make a comparison.
Have you ever had a fight with someone in competition?
Someone you did not know ?
Did you just assume that because you know your skills and abilities , that you did not need to know the other persons because your own were good enough for the fight ahead ?

You assume too much , Aurbere I figured you did not like Revan but you really are being Biased in these threads .
Not even Leland Chee is addressing/assuming/ or comparing Revan to anyone , so if hes the head of knowing and you are a fan ...................................
SW KotoR is now almost 10years old , and after 10 years no one with any authority has released or stated anything on the lines you or any of you Revan Bashing friends .

You are making comparisons that is far worse than a blind taste test , which in this case your only tasting vinilla icecream to another vinilla IceCream but one might be with chocolate chips or cookies , but the maker decided to keep that part secret for what might seem 10more fricken years .
In this you come off just as bad as those who are the extreme of Revan's Fanbase and are no better .
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11.23.2012 , 09:24 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
Well you just said what Anti Revan people want us all to believe , I believe you touched every Anti Revan to their very Soul . I am sure a tear rolled down the OP's eye as the OP read this ! Good Show my man ,Good show !

Let me add more to this ,
Revan didn't Cut off Malek's Jaw , really what happen is Malek was shaving with his lightsaber ! Saddly not enough toilet Papper for that Cut so he removed his Jaw .

Revan didn't beat the Mando's , they were sleepying and decided to go home !

Really when Revan killed that SithLord with her own lightning , it was really just suicide . She knew Revan would redirect it back at her . She was depressed and their is no Depression call in centers for the Sith .

Revan's lightsaber skills didn't exist , he really wielded a stick with one end painted .

Keira was really the Special Ed Jedi Master ..............Poor Revan was in the Yellow Short Bus Classes !



Sarcasim , at this point this is all you can do in this thread !

In the Army , they teach you that your enemies are likely more than you would think them to be . That you should always go in thinking that if it can happen it will . I think Malek learned two times that he was wrong in thinking Revan was weak. Those fights according to the Anti Revan Bunch must have been bad days for Malek and if those were good days he would have won right ?
But in this thread , lack of knowing leads to thinking that a person like Revan is a Character of nothing and those who do not like him or his fan base should think Revan is a Lesser Jedi to even those who followed him .
hmmm. Interesting.

However, you paint a picture that seems to imply that we (the guys who know who Revan actually is) have lost to the haters. I feel like (in the recent threads) that we've made some excellent points and have exposed the faulty logic of those who who underrate Revan.

What really gets on my nerves is how the haters (maybe not haters - we'll call them underraters) try to justify underrating Revan because "he's blown out of proportion" or "everyone thinks he's all we're saying is that he's not." There a TON more people who underrate Revan then those who would overrate him. I haven't seen anyone on these threads (recently) say anything like "Revan is the best! He could beat Luke!" Nobody is saying that.

Revan argument in a nutshell:
Anti-Revanites think the argument is: Revan IS a god vs. Revan is NOT a god
But this is the actual argument: Revan IS powerful vs Revan is OK

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11.23.2012 , 09:42 AM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
hmmm. Interesting.

However, you paint a picture that seems to imply that we (the guys who know who Revan actually is) have lost to the haters. I feel like (in the recent threads) that we've made some excellent points and have exposed the faulty logic of those who who underrate Revan.

What really gets on my nerves is how the haters (maybe not haters - we'll call them underraters) try to justify underrating Revan because "he's blown out of proportion" or "everyone thinks he's all we're saying is that he's not." There a TON more people who underrate Revan then those who would overrate him. I haven't seen anyone on these threads (recently) say anything like "Revan is the best! He could beat Luke!" Nobody is saying that.

Revan argument in a nutshell:
Anti-Revanites think the argument is: Revan IS a god vs. Revan is NOT a god
But this is the actual argument: Revan IS powerful vs Revan is OK
I do not think we lost , after all a few like yourself have been strongly loyal to the character . I think not all of them HATE REVAN but there is people on here that do seemingly HATE Revan , just like they HATE Drew for making him .
Those same people have no issues with Writers who build their characters into EU Gods who seemingly cannot die till one day a Woman or LA top head says " you know what Luke needs to lose his wife" , and then they RAAAAGGGGGGGGEEEEEE on the forums because they suddenly have their Jedi God made Mortal .

You see its ok when its their characters made immortal gods , they see no issue with it . Being Revan had a surge of Fans because of KotoR , they were all like LOVE MY CHARACTER OMG !!!!!

Revan is a Mortal Character , he is gifted with being a great warrior , but is not a GOD and is able to die , make mistakes , and have weaknesses . Hes unknown because LA feels hes better being a unknown even though by his lore we should be able to see:
*He has mastered some form of Lightsaber Style(Atleast one but possibly two as most Jedi do have more than 1)
*He has mastered abilities that both Dark and Light used(Not mastered Light and Dark or whatever)
*He was smarter than most of his day and craved knowledge ............ not of all time
*He used both Combat skills and Force Abilities in fights

Wookiepidia has a list of powers and skills but unlike the Anti Revanites and the Revanites I would rather not assume anything or any of those are right , and just wait for the answers to come from LA/LF.

Just like the Anti Revanites , I will not back down and as long as you and others choose to post in this , I will be there with you ! Know you are not alone in this !
Revan is not my Favorite but he still holds a special place in my heart after all , I still play KotoR and KotoRII and love them both Equally , like my love for Revan and the Exile Meetra Surik !

By the way , I still believe there was a Romance involved in Revan and Meetra's back Lore .
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11.23.2012 , 10:06 AM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
I do not think we lost , after all a few like yourself have been strongly loyal to the character . I think not all of them HATE REVAN but there is people on here that do seemingly HATE Revan , just like they HATE Drew for making him .
Those same people have no issues with Writers who build their characters into EU Gods who seemingly cannot die till one day a Woman or LA top head says " you know what Luke needs to lose his wife" , and then they RAAAAGGGGGGGGEEEEEE on the forums because they suddenly have their Jedi God made Mortal .

You see its ok when its their characters made immortal gods , they see no issue with it . Being Revan had a surge of Fans because of KotoR , they were all like LOVE MY CHARACTER OMG !!!!!

Revan is a Mortal Character , he is gifted with being a great warrior , but is not a GOD and is able to die , make mistakes , and have weaknesses . Hes unknown because LA feels hes better being a unknown even though by his lore we should be able to see:
*He has mastered some form of Lightsaber Style(Atleast one but possibly two as most Jedi do have more than 1)
*He has mastered abilities that both Dark and Light used(Not mastered Light and Dark or whatever)
*He was smarter than most of his day and craved knowledge ............ not of all time
*He used both Combat skills and Force Abilities in fights

Wookiepidia has a list of powers and skills but unlike the Anti Revanites and the Revanites I would rather not assume anything or any of those are right , and just wait for the answers to come from LA/LF.

Just like the Anti Revanites , I will not back down and as long as you and others choose to post in this , I will be there with you ! Know you are not alone in this !
Revan is not my Favorite but he still holds a special place in my heart after all , I still play KotoR and KotoRII and love them both Equally , like my love for Revan and the Exile Meetra Surik !

By the way , I still believe there was a Romance involved in Revan and Meetra's back Lore .
Preach it!!