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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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JediMB
11.22.2012 , 04:06 AM | #3231
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
At this point, I just don't know what to do. I've mentioned the people that "bullied" Bioware into giving them more ME3 ending content. Of course we could also set up a FB group and involve any gaming press outlet there and threaten to never buy any Bioware product again. But as with last time, I do not support this kind of action. I found it justified in part, but childish and bratty in the way it ended up playing out. I guess I'm just not that kind of a person.
It is by no means childish to, as a customer, demand consistent quality and truthful advertising. And it's by no means bullying either. That attitude stems from how we've gotten too damned complacent when it comes to our rights as consumers.

Gamers (as a group) have been terrible at standing up for their principles, even when they do voice their dissatisfaction, and let publishers abuse their brand loyalty again and again and again. Frankly I find lashing out at gamers who finally stood up for themselves with terms suggesting that doing so isn't something appropriate for adults to be quite distasteful.

Personally? I'd be all for organizing some sort of campaign to pressure EA into finally saying something about the issue at hand. Create a Facebook page and a Twitter account! Encourage Forbes, and other journalistic entities that aren't part of the incestuous relationship that is the video game industry and the specialized video game press, to bring up the subject and attempt to get an answer from EA!

What we've been doing so far clearly isn't working, so either we just sit around and wait for EA to decide when/if they want to tell us something, or we escalate the issue to levels that they'll take seriously.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
The "no-info" policy is a little annoying. Maybe it has to do with them not wanting to raise expectations after what happened with ME3. I really do not feel that "Give us a new ending" movement has done us much good in the long run. People got what they wanted, but it has changed the tone of conversation and chemistry between Bioware and us "fans" to some extent.
"People got what they wanted" isn't exactly accurate. People got a small portion of what they wanted, which is a relatively proper denouement, but most of the things that were criticized in the ending still remain to this day, because BioWare would never admit that the entire premise behind the game's main plot was highly flawed.

That said, you should have a look at the Dragon Age forums. Tons of interaction between the team and the fans there. I think the tone of conversation going on the SWTOR side if things is completely unrelated to what happened with ME3, and has more to do with this game's inability to live up to the publisher's expectations. EA thought they had the new World of Warcraft on their hands, but they didn't... and things changed.
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Tatile
11.22.2012 , 05:15 AM | #3232
Quote: Originally Posted by Palar View Post
Going a year without any answers can somehow disillusion people and they feel playing something else is better than paying to ask questions to a brick wall.
Disillusioned due to being overly emotional and getting easily stressed by people telling me my opinions are worthless and I'm a horrible human being. Think I've hit some of the side effects of the implant as well.


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For me the adamant silence of EA/BW has long lost the status of "neutrality". At a certain point saying nothing is supporting the opposite opinon.
Absolutely. Why else would all the anti's be so bloody happy that Bioware hasn't said anything on this site? Nowhere does it say that time invalidates all things automatically and yet the anti-crowd holds to that idea. They take Bioware's silence as tacit consent for their hatred and that any moderation on comments is paying lip service to a legal requirement, rather than a belief in equality and a safe environment.

And yes, this game is sexist, does have moments of misogyny and whorephobia, probably does have moments of racism (can't say, I'm white) and is definitely homophobic due to erasure and a lack of options. A lot of people take homophobia and other forms of discrimination to be name calling and directed violence, when actually it's much more than that.

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Chaac
11.22.2012 , 09:49 AM | #3233
Along with many others I've been here since the topic first came about three years ago looking for answers and received very, very little response. I'm not done...but I am tired. It doesn't matter how long someone's been pushing for the content, when you're constantly hitting brick walls it gets tiring. The lack of response gets annoying, the same arguments against it get annoying, the constant trolling of the topic gets annoying.
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Vicen
11.22.2012 , 09:52 AM | #3234
We need some lesbian romances and we need them now!
Swooping...is...bad...

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fabiyun
11.22.2012 , 11:49 AM | #3235
Even though I think that SGRs have been postponed indefinitely, there's something else that's changed obviously; the elephant being F2P.

BW has stated that the Cathar is coming soon and will be a Cartel Market unlock only. HK51, our first additional companion, is also a Cartel Market unlock. I've been wondering if this signifies a move to additional big content updates going to the Cartel Market. HK51 is now a legacy unlock if you have it on one of your toons. The good thing about that is that if you care about HK51 you can have it with all your toons regardless of level. That's something I can appreciate.

Could this mean that future companions will be Cartel Market companions? Again the positive thing about that is that it would allow one to have a companion across one's legacy at whichever level. It'd also allow a companion to be had and romanced with any toon at any level.

Any thoughts on this?
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LukenDion
11.22.2012 , 11:59 AM | #3236
Hi all ;-)

I support same gender relationships for sure!

But I see that promised (for ''later'' this year) s/s romances are not releashed, so I am very sad

I still have some hope for December/January release, but I'm not holding my breath...

Cheers.

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Lent_San
11.22.2012 , 12:03 PM | #3237
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMB View Post
Gamers (as a group) have been terrible at standing up for their principles, even when they do voice their dissatisfaction, and let publishers abuse their brand loyalty again and again and again. Frankly I find lashing out at gamers who finally stood up for themselves with terms suggesting that doing so isn't something appropriate for adults to be quite distasteful.
You know, that is exactly what I was talking about. We may disagree on the subject, but we do so without calling each other names or scream and yell at another.

Just to give you a few examples of what I was talking about when I said "I found it justified in part, but childish and bratty in the way it ended up playing out." (and I stand by what I said):

(Dear Mods, I know this is a little off topic but lemmme just mention this and I'll shut up about ME, promised )

On public boards when I mentioned I was okay with the endings and didn't really miss anything, there were people telling me I could never ever be a "true" Mass Effect fan then. They did not allow any disconsent. That I found quite presumptuous.

The guy who set up the FB group went into hiding for three to four weeks after he opened it and it became viral, later claiming he had named "mods" in his absence who deserted him. My guess is he just didn't know what to do with all his new found "fame".

Employees of BW, writers, producers, were called all kinds of names on all kinds of boards, liars and a**holes being among the more harmless ones. There were quite a few people who claimed the whole ME franchise was crap now and they would throw away their games, just because they didn't like the last ten minutes of maybe 100 hours of game time. That indeed I found rather bratty and childish. I read just last night (I didn't even know), that Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk left Bioware to retire. I have no idea whether there's any connection here, but one saying he lost passion for creating video games, after all this ruckus with the new DLC was over .... I find this timing rather odd. But maybe that's just me.

Everyone should do what they want to get the content they want. That's more than fine with me. But don't claim I'm not a real fan if I disagree with you on some things and behave yourself in a way that makes it possible for other people to interact with you, be it other fellow gamers or writers, producers, and so on. I guess that's all I'm saying. And by "you" of course I did not mean you you... in case that was unclear.

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DeepRealm
11.22.2012 , 12:12 PM | #3238
I must say I'm surprised at the tone being expressed here at times. Sure, I can understand your bitter disappointment that there's no word on SGRA's, and that they are probably being delayed due to F2P.

However, if you want to see SGRA's in games, you have no greater friend than BioWare. Remember the publicity over Mass Effect and all the bad headlines. They took a stand, and a risk for things you both want. They want these things in their games.

Now, your friend is in trouble. Their publisher is probably breathing down their necks, worried about their $200 million-plus investment. They have to re-prioritise. This is a fully-voiced story-focused MMO. Writing NEW story content is more expensive than in a SP game. Writing NEW story content for eight different arcs, and making sure it all works out-of-the-box and doesn't conflict with something else that they're working on is rather more expensive.

And what do they get in return for giving you what they want in the past and trying to meet expectations? Demands. Threats. Insults. Fine, you're upset. But you're treating them worse than "Other Developers" (tm) who don't even try to put what you want in games. It is important in life to always remember who your friends are.

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Lent_San
11.22.2012 , 12:13 PM | #3239
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
Could this mean that future companions will be Cartel Market companions? Again the positive thing about that is that it would allow one to have a companion across one's legacy at whichever level. It'd also allow a companion to be had and romanced with any toon at any level.
Any thoughts on this?
I don't really like this option just for the reason that it could potentially mean "pay for gay", which would more or less become a "gay toggle option" that BW never wanted to have.

If there was no other option to have SGRA than through companions in the cartel market.... I don't know. I might reconsider but I don't think it would make me feel good romancing them. So I can't really say I like the idea too much.

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fabiyun
11.22.2012 , 12:15 PM | #3240
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
You know, that is exactly what I was talking about. We may disagree on the subject, but we do so without calling each other names or scream and yell at another.

Just to give you a few examples of what I was talking about when I said "I found it justified in part, but childish and bratty in the way it ended up playing out." (and I stand by what I said):

(Dear Mods, I know this is a little off topic but lemmme just mention this and I'll shut up about ME, promised )

On public boards when I mentioned I was okay with the endings and didn't really miss anything, there were people telling me I could never ever be a "true" Mass Effect fan then. They did not allow any disconsent. That I found quite presumptuous.

The guy who set up the FB group went into hiding for three to four weeks after he opened it and it became viral, later claiming he had named "mods" in his absence who deserted him. My guess is he just didn't know what to do with all his new found "fame".

Employees of BW, writers, producers, were called all kinds of names on all kinds of boards, liars and a**holes being among the more harmless ones. There were quite a few people who claimed the whole ME franchise was crap now and they would throw away their games, just because they didn't like the last ten minutes of maybe 100 hours of game time. That indeed I found rather bratty and childish. I read just last night (I didn't even know), that Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk left Bioware to retire. I have no idea whether there's any connection here, but one saying he lost passion for creating video games, after all this ruckus with the new DLC was over .... I find this timing rather odd. But maybe that's just me.

Everyone should do what they want to get the content they want. That's more than fine with me. But don't claim I'm not a real fan if I disagree with you on some things and behave yourself in a way that makes it possible for other people to interact with you, be it other fellow gamers or writers, producers, and so on. I guess that's all I'm saying. And by "you" of course I did not mean you you... in case that was unclear.
There's plenty of childish action on the interwebs. But when it comes to civil rights and inclusiveness history is the clear lesson that without a riot nothing will change. I've been looking for the All Out campaign, what ever happened to it? So many people have given their signature for that public action and it seems to have been completely ignored. BW has said "this year", and if that doesn't happen they'll have to act responsibly like any adult or institution and explain themselves. If not then clearly it is time for more actions. This is not about some missing feature, or some ending we're unhappy with. This is about being excluded from yet another game, and their promise to fix it. And I think we're in our right to be very angry about it. Anno 2012 this should have been a thing of the past, and talking and mailing seems to get nobody anywhere.
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