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mothear
11.21.2012 , 10:45 PM | #701
Quote: Originally Posted by Tuskin View Post
I'd gladly pay, not using my Cartel coins on anything else.
This to be honest. It makes more sense to do it this way then if you drop to preferred status for a few months suddenly you are not gated out of areas that you could go to before.

Example, I subscribe and Makeb is free to subscribers (i.e. doesn't cost cartel coins), I level to 55 then go preferred status. Well now I'm 5 levels above the preferred status level of 50, can I use all my gear that is over level 50? There are no doubt other examples as well.

It makes sense, buy it and you have it 'forever' whether you remain subscribed or not.

Since free to play subscribers have effectively been given a way to circumvent the grind of legacy by using cartel coins however if they want to waste their free coins on cartel packs etc, that weren't in gane prior to F2P, and wouldn't have been without F2P, then they may have to pony up a little extra. Seems fair as they've been taking advantage of free 'stuff' provided by the game.

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Soluss
11.22.2012 , 01:01 AM | #702
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Well looking on the LotRO quest packs they seem to cost around $9 or maybe 900CC coins in SWTOR money.

So if the quest pack (not an expansion) cost everyone say 600-700 CC, i.e. one month of free subscriber allocation are you really saying that a subscriber is still being charged?
Depends on the context you are talking about. Is it just an update or is it an expansion?

If its just an update and you have to use cartel coins for it, then yes subscribers are being charged for it.

It its an expansion then that depends on the content itself. If its just an expansion label but really not much better then a content update, then you are being charged. If the content itself is worthy of an expansion label, then it would be fair.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
11.22.2012 , 01:04 AM | #703
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
This to be honest. It makes more sense to do it this way then if you drop to preferred status for a few months suddenly you are not gated out of areas that you could go to before.

Example, I subscribe and Makeb is free to subscribers (i.e. doesn't cost cartel coins), I level to 55 then go preferred status. Well now I'm 5 levels above the preferred status level of 50, can I use all my gear that is over level 50? There are no doubt other examples as well.

It makes sense, buy it and you have it 'forever' whether you remain subscribed or not.

Since free to play subscribers have effectively been given a way to circumvent the grind of legacy by using cartel coins however if they want to waste their free coins on cartel packs etc, that weren't in gane prior to F2P, and wouldn't have been without F2P, then they may have to pony up a little extra. Seems fair as they've been taking advantage of free 'stuff' provided by the game.
This is just a poor line of thinking right here. By your logic, every single update they come out with from now on you would want to pay for. Hk quest... pay for it. 1.6 warzone update pay for it. Next update which may be just a flash point, pay for it. This is what you want to do, just in case you might not want to sub for a couple months you would still have access? Wow man. I hope EA doesnt listen to you, because you would be the reason that all the rest of the subscribers get ripped off.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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mothear
11.22.2012 , 01:20 AM | #704
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
This is just a poor line of thinking right here. By your logic, every single update they come out with from now on you would want to pay for. Hk quest... pay for it. 1.6 warzone update pay for it. Next update which may be just a flash point, pay for it. This is what you want to do, just in case you might not want to sub for a couple months you would still have access? Wow man. I hope EA doesnt listen to you, because you would be the reason that all the rest of the subscribers get ripped off.
Never said here that I was unsubbing, I have thought about it but decided not to.

As for the rest of your points:-

Warzones, F2P people buy a weekly pass so they would be free;
Flashpoints and Ops ditto;
Section X is currently on the cartel shop list, are you suggesting it shouldn't be, which suggests they won't go my suggested route.

Can I ask do you see your sub now as $15 or is it $10 with cartel coins thrown in. If it's the later then I can understand this wierd entitlement to items people had to 'work' for before, but then hey your sub just dropped to $10 so don't feel hard done by.

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Yinican
11.22.2012 , 01:40 AM | #705
Even if I had my doubts about Bioware and I got a bit burned out on SWTOR, I support and I do not hope that SWTOR will shut down in the near future. And I would gladly pay for any content, even though they might not do it, I would gladly do.

TOR is one of the better MMO's for me, there are worse MMO's out there with devs that doesn't know how to make any good content.

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Soluss
11.22.2012 , 01:40 AM | #706
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Never said here that I was unsubbing, I have thought about it but decided not to.

As for the rest of your points:-

Warzones, F2P people buy a weekly pass so they would be free;
Flashpoints and Ops ditto;
Section X is currently on the cartel shop list, are you suggesting it shouldn't be, which suggests they won't go my suggested route.

Can I ask do you see your sub now as $15 or is it $10 with cartel coins thrown in. If it's the later then I can understand this wierd entitlement to items people had to 'work' for before, but then hey your sub just dropped to $10 so don't feel hard done by.
Well, if you are buying a weekly pass to them then they are not free. They shouldnt be free but I wanted to point that out. How do you know that new ones wont be though?

Section X should be in the cash shop for F2P people, if thats what you mean then yes, it should be. The way you are talking though is that everyone should buy this content as well, in case they decide to drop their sub some day they wont lose access to it. Thats the poor line of thinking that Im talking about. Pay for it after, not just in case.

I still view my subscription to cost 15 bucks a month, nothing wrong with that provided the service I recieve is comparable to other MMOs that also cost 15 bucks a month. If a sub only cost 10 bucks a month then I would only have to pay 10 bucks a month. Cartel Coins are irrelevant in that discussion. It is not my choice therefor, its still 15 bucks a month. If I never use a cartel coin then how much did I pay? Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a car for 30k bucks and they give you a years worth of free oil changes, how much did you pay for the car? You still paid 30k bucks.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
11.22.2012 , 01:45 AM | #707
Quote: Originally Posted by Yinican View Post
Even if I had my doubts about Bioware and I got a bit burned out on SWTOR, I support and I do not hope that SWTOR will shut down in the near future. And I would gladly pay for any content, even though they might not do it, I would gladly do.

TOR is one of the better MMO's for me, there are worse MMO's out there with devs that doesn't know how to make any good content.
Thats fine for you. For me though, Im not going to go above and beyond a normal fee just to make sure the game stays afloat. To what end? If EA came out and said, we arent profitable enough. If you want to continue to play then you need to pay 30 bucks a month to subscribe. Every competitor, on the market is still 15 bucks a month. You know what happens if people fall for that and do pay 30 bucks a month? Every competitor on the market is then 30 bucks a month. No game is worth that.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Radzkie
11.22.2012 , 02:05 AM | #708
My thoughts: if Makeb has areas that you get top tier gear from, and subs have to pay for weekly access to it...then I'm going to have to leave the game. That will be the only way it crosses the line for me. I simply wont play another P2W MMO; it's too much money and not worth my time. I can play other games and be just as, if not more, happy. And most of the other games that I like cost a lot less than subbing for months on SWTOR does.

Besides, they said that they don't want subs to feel like they need to buy from the cartel shop to stay competitive, so they'd be going back on their word.

I love this game and I had a good run with it. I may leave slightly bitter if that happened, but I'd bring good memories with me too.

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mothear
11.22.2012 , 02:06 AM | #709
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Thats fine for you. For me though, Im not going to go above and beyond a normal fee just to make sure the game stays afloat. To what end? If EA came out and said, we arent profitable enough. If you want to continue to play then you need to pay 30 bucks a month to subscribe. Every competitor, on the market is still 15 bucks a month. You know what happens if people fall for that and do pay 30 bucks a month? Every competitor on the market is then 30 bucks a month. No game is worth that.
I agree with you Soluss, which is why I will not be using the cartel coins I'm given on fancy 'stuff' I can get in game. I will be keeping mine to spend on either quest packs, or expansion packs that come out in the future.

I too see my sub as $15 per month and I am getting today exactly what I got post F2P (with the exception of new content in Section X). Following this logic if I have to use cartel coins for quest packs etc., in the future, then they cost me personally nothing. Anyone can do this.

If people want to short circuit the game by using cartel coins to unlock legacy, extra cargo space etc., then that's fine by me however these items are in a shop and items in a shop are generally not free. My analogy would be a sweet shop gives you coupons and you use them up on twinkies then you find the shop is starting to stock your favourite chocolate but you've already spent the coupons on twinkies. Guess what, it's time to dip into your pockets or do without.

If BW decide to charge everyone for quest packs then the people who think they can have 'free' things will find out that there is no free lunch in this game, just like the real world.

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Soluss
11.22.2012 , 02:09 AM | #710
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
I agree with you Soluss, which is why I will not be using the cartel coins I'm given on fancy 'stuff' I can get in game. I will be keeping mine to spend on either quest packs, or expansion packs that come out in the future.

I too see my sub as $15 per month and I am getting today exactly what I got post F2P (with the exception of new content in Section X). Following this logic if I have to use cartel coins for quest packs etc., in the future, then they cost me personally nothing. Anyone can do this.

If people want to short circuit the game by using cartel coins to unlock legacy, extra cargo space etc., then that's fine by me however these items are in a shop and items in a shop are generally not free. My analogy would be a sweet shop gives you coupons and you use them up on twinkies then you find the shop is starting to stock your favourite chocolate but you've already spent the coupons on twinkies. Guess what, it's time to dip into your pockets or do without.

If BW decide to charge everyone for quest packs then the people who think they can have 'free' things will find out that there is no free lunch in this game, just like the real world.
Good post, but you just had to mention twinkies didnt you!
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."
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