They are already discussing milking the subscribers

They HAD said that, yes. But there was an interview: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=522592

The transcript is there, where the Executive Producer of SWTOR says that they are still talking about what they will and will not charge for and that Makeb is now up in the air and they won't know until it is closer to being released...

So basically yes they did say that, but now they are taking it back and saying you might have to pay for it...

Crying poverty now? So why did you post the previous. Either you acknowledge they had to make financial shifts due to a lack of subscribers...or you claim they're "crying poverty"..you really cant just make whatever statement you want at any time. Youre inconsistant.

"pay us more" would fit if they were upping the sub fee...but not for following the industry standard of paying for expansions. Noones forcing you to buy it of course, Im sure the game will run fine without Makeb.

Those is glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Nobody likes a sore loser.

I dont get it. Lifes too short to sit around on a message board for a game you arent enjoying lol. Myself, If i was that down on the game, I'd find another one and ditch the unneeded stress.

Life has enough of that on it's own. This is our relax and game time..if it's not fun you gotta move on. Myself I love this game, and have 0 issue buying Makeb at a reasonable pricepoint for whatever content it adds.

Do I need to point out that the above statement is solely your opinion and cannot be proven? Everyone cries and screams about how badly TOR failed and yet it's still one of the most populated MMOs on the market. But unless an MMO reaches WoW numbers it's labeled a fail by 90% of people on these forums.

I have too much to worry about in real life to bother with the financial state or subscription numbers of a game I play for fun. I base it off of in-game activity. I've played plenty of dead MMOs where every zone is a ghost town and you're lucky to run into 10 people a day. TOR, at least on the server I play on is very populated and alive. That's all I need to stay interested.

Your argument about why people cancelled is also pure speculation. Maybe the people who cancelled didn't like Star Wars. Maybe they're the people who roam in swarms to every new game, devour all the content in a month and then move on. Maybe the people who cancelled would rather play the game they were playing before TOR. Maybe they cancelled because they didn't have any friends playing TOR so they lost interest. Maybe it just wasn't the game for them and they hated everything about it. I've seen people quit for all those reasons, but I've never seen people say "this game isn't worth $15. If it was $5 a month I'd totally subscribe."

$15 is the industry standard. Very few MMOs offer subscriptions below it. There is no official scale to measure if what you're getting in any MMO is "worth" the subscription fee. Instead, it should be based on whether or not you personally enjoy the game. I honestly fail to see the logic in people saying "the game isn't worth $15!" yet also being against F2P, where you can play everything for free, for around $10 a month if you buy the weekly flashpoint/PVP packages, or make one time purchases to unlock the features you want and then be free from that point onwards.

In this day in age, F2P plans with cash shops are also becoming industry standard. It isn't a desperate begging "please play our game, pleeeeeeeease" like people so love to label it. It's just plain smart. I normally pay $15 a month for my single account; I spent $80 this month on Cartel coins, plus the $15. At least 15 people I know of spent $40+ (sometimes way more), and pretty much everyone I know in game has spent at least $5 on coins, including free players. They are making a ton of money now. That should be considered a good thing by the players. It means they have the funding to give us more content.

And, finally... TOR's been out for a year. I'd say we're due for an expansion very soon. You always have to pay for MMO expansions; you don't have to pay for updates. I'd say a new planet/level cap increase/new species would definitely fall into expansion territory. But those three items won't be all the expansion is comprised of; it will have other fluff and maybe some gamechanging things like that secret space project they've kept in the shadows.

What am I basing this on? My experience with dozens of other MMOs, not raw emotion about how much I hate this game yet ... keep playing/posting about it (???). :P

8. For those who have access to the VIP/Collectors Edition vendors, will we see any new items added to them in the future or is the focus primarily in the cartel market?

Most of our development effort will focus on keeping the cartel market fresh and full of awesome stuff to purchase. That being said, I definitely have it on my to-do list to revisit these secondary vendors in the future.

I think Bioware's management needs to understand that paid subscribers are already paying for everything, and if they are going to do an expansion or simply adding a planet, that nickel and diming the subscribers when they are already footing the bill is a surefire way of getting subscribers to stop subscribing, especially in a bad economy. If they want to charge F2Pers something in order for them to have access to new content, that's perfectly acceptable, but the paying subscribers have arguably paid for the update already through the monthly fees, and it would be seen as double billing by a lot of people.

I love when people make assumptions. Shows them for the true *** they are. I like the game.... not the direction or management of it.... nor the fake updates they have had and the lack of desire to actually flesh out the base game but rather add fluff to the cash shop and same generic content updates.

You like the game but nothing about it or around it? Logic sense it does not make.

I like Call of duty but because of the direction and management and the BS updates to the same formula every year...I DON'T Play it.