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1.6. = best pvp patch so far. Why?

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1.6. = best pvp patch so far. Why?

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Capt_Beers
11.21.2012 , 01:55 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
Meh.

The new gear creates problems with players who are currently still grinding to WH, and still have several BM pieces. They'll essentially be knocked down a tier and be in a tougher spot than fresh 50's who have comms saved up to get the newer stuff. The same thing happened to players when they got rid of the last gear grind and the old Centurion sets.
Starting from 0 WZ comms (traded them all for ranked) I was able to earn enough comms for a BM piece for my Shadow on my Commando in about 4-5 matches + daily. So it would be very possible to have all the WH gear, at the current BM prices, from 0 comms in 2 weeks if you get one piece a day (at most that is 1550 comms). The only people who would have an issue with this are the F2P guys with no weekly pass.
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11.21.2012 , 02:02 PM | #22
Yeah that's the lame thing I see. I JUST finished grinding full WH on my Marauder, that is playing no ranked matches, so I'm trading in @ 3:1 ratio for commendations.

Then I grinded up a 50 Operative and now i have half a set of WH with some BM peices. Now, I can either cap my commendations and not buy anything for the next many weeks, then upgrade as much as I can, or I can keep buying at 3:1 ratio, only to have JUST spent many weeks wasting commendations only to have all my gear put up for sale at cheap Battlemaster prices, and just have to grind an entirely new set of armour again, at 3:1 ratio.

I was almost done the gear grind on both of my toons. Now I have to start over. Now a fresh 50 can come in and in probably one day (if he is capped) have an entire set of WH gear that matches mine.

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11.21.2012 , 03:54 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankee View Post
Yeah that's the lame thing I see. I JUST finished grinding full WH on my Marauder, that is playing no ranked matches, so I'm trading in @ 3:1 ratio for commendations.

Then I grinded up a 50 Operative and now i have half a set of WH with some BM peices. Now, I can either cap my commendations and not buy anything for the next many weeks, then upgrade as much as I can, or I can keep buying at 3:1 ratio, only to have JUST spent many weeks wasting commendations only to have all my gear put up for sale at cheap Battlemaster prices, and just have to grind an entirely new set of armour again, at 3:1 ratio.

I was almost done the gear grind on both of my toons. Now I have to start over. Now a fresh 50 can come in and in probably one day (if he is capped) have an entire set of WH gear that matches mine.

Yes, TL; DR = QQ
With this change it's quite possible that ranked matches will be much more common and more accessible.

The rating system might actually have a chance to work for once since there will (hopefully) be more people in the queues. now we will will get what a lot of people have been asking for:

- Spend a week or 2 in Recruit gear while you get all your WH gear. Hopefully with mostly other recruits/BM.

- Move up to ranked once you have it. I really think this will even things out in ranked as there won't be such a high barrier for entry and with more teams queuing you are more likely to get matched with a team of your skill level.

There is still the issue of finding 7 other players but hopefully people will be more willing to PvP now that the grind is essentially gone. r

As for having to have traded all your comms in to get your WH now well, those are the breaks. You couldn't have honestly thought that they would stop at WH and you would have the best gear forever. Things get cheaper as time goes on. It sucks I spent a bunch of comms for my Commandos WH pieces and just recently bought a bunch of BM gear for my Shadow with comms from my Commando to get him ready for being 50 and now it's basically useless. I would have been better off banking them as ranked. But oh well, this is a great change and I'm looking forward to it and Ancient Hypergates.
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johnyangelo
11.21.2012 , 03:58 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkoman View Post
i personally see this as a time sink for veteran players. I mean seriously lets get rid of the bottom tier of gear and make the current top tier the bottom tier and easier to get. Then we make everyone grind gear ALL OVER AGAIN in order to have the same comparative stats to their peers. I mean it is just plain silly. I love the game, new war zone sounds great, the new gear is a time sink though plain and simple and they are calling it content.
They are partialy doing that. EWH is not that much better, so you dont need it, but if you are hardcore enough you can get it.

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Macroeconomics
11.21.2012 , 04:13 PM | #25
As far as new 50's, they will remain bad. For every new 50 you see today that arrives fully prepped with 3000 rwz comms and 2000 wz comms, you see two that show up in a wz wearing greens and blues. And one of those two will get indignant when you tell him they give away Recruit gear for free. Mention to that guy that he would go ape sh*t if someone was able to show up in pvp gear and force him to carry the pvper through TFB HM, and that he is effectively doing the same thing on the pvp side, and he will go silent and not say a word. And still not get Recruit gear.

That ratio of prepared 50s to unprepared 50's to willfully unprepared 50's in wz will not change in 1.6. If anything, midway through 1.6, we'll see the first fresh 50's in wz who are F2P players. And a meaningfully lower percentage of them will be in the "prepared" category.

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lokdron
11.22.2012 , 12:41 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
For some reason, they wait and slip those in when it goes to live. Like the last anni marauder nerf. So keep your fingers crossed that its a buff and not a nerf to something no one is complaining about.
I hope so that is my one hope that bioware will finally show love to DPS sorc.
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VaeVictis
11.22.2012 , 12:49 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Capt_Beers View Post
This patch is terrible for PVP!!!!

Now everyone will unsub because they will just see they're bad and it wasn't all gear gap.

Seriously though,should make PvP more evenly matched in the gear aspect but no amount of gear will fix:

- People walking through the fire. On purpose. Mind = bottled.

- People who still stand on the goal line with a leapy guy w/ the ball in the pit or on the edge at all. Seriously there is no reason to be there. Played my first ever PvP match on my lvl 11 Sentinel, scored all three of our goals in this manner.

- The guy I solo capped on while he had 100% health. Stealth up like a BAU5 > Stun > start cap > he breaks > Force Lift > lightning fast cap start > cap is complete as he touches the ground. No discipline on breaker use.

- Being out of position, not responding to incs, not calling incs or being baited away from nodes.

- No class knowledge. Had a guy on here get mad at me the other day because I quoted him and said I stopped reading at, and I quote, "I'm not sure if PT's have stealth or not."

- Seeing this a lot more recently. Two people guarding the node when we only have one and are struggling to get another. I pointed this out to someone and they called me elitist. I don't even...

Hopefully people will learn that these are the things that lose WZ not only the other team being in better gear now that everyone should be pretty close together in stats.
Please add backpedaling and 2+ people beating on a DPS while a healer stands to the side untouched to this list.

Thanks in advance.

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DariusCalera
11.22.2012 , 12:58 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Capt_Beers View Post
Starting from 0 WZ comms (traded them all for ranked) I was able to earn enough comms for a BM piece for my Shadow on my Commando in about 4-5 matches + daily. So it would be very possible to have all the WH gear, at the current BM prices, from 0 comms in 2 weeks if you get one piece a day (at most that is 1550 comms). The only people who would have an issue with this are the F2P guys with no weekly pass.
The issue isn't the grind, it's the fact that they did the grind at a 3:1 ratio and are now getting hosed because they have lost 10K+ WZ comms and won't be getting them back.

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Boyana
11.22.2012 , 01:39 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
There will always be an excuse tho...
Lag, of course.

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Arlanon
11.22.2012 , 02:01 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by VaeVictis
Please add backpedaling and 2+ people beating on a DPS while a healer stands to the side untouched to this list.

Thanks in advance.
Those same DPS, who spent the entire match beating on the healEE instead of the healER, will then point to the scoreboard and claim that their high damage score indicates that it was not their fault you lost.