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Sorcerer in PVP, Weak


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SassyJaxy
11.21.2012 , 11:53 AM | #1
I hate that a DPS can kill me in 3-4 secs and I have 19.5khp and 1294 expertise and cannot even get him down to 2/3 of his health. I know we are healers but the need to defend ourselves in PVP should exist, worst class for Hutt ball too, too slow and very easy to stop and kill. Do other see this too. I going to level one of DPS chars to 50.

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lokdron
11.21.2012 , 01:16 PM | #2
DPS sorc's in pvp are not all that great either bioware simply hates the sorc and operative class if they need to find a solution to a class problem they either nerf merc, operative or sorc.
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Geseb_Var
11.21.2012 , 01:22 PM | #3
I don't know what you mean, my dps was a little low as lightning, but as Madness it was AWESOME. And I roll as a healer in PvP now, and I ROCK. Huttball is probably my best WZ. I pop my shield, keep my HoT on me with the armor buff, and I can make it to the end no problem. If you are having trouble, I'd say reroll and level up in WZs, that's how I got good with my Sorc
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verfallen
11.21.2012 , 02:03 PM | #4
It does have survivability issue, not dps one.

In many WZ, left alone, sorc/sage pulls huge ammount of dps on a group. Therefore, they are bound to be focus fired, and when on my sniper, I make sure to burst them down as they come. I avoid lots of damage to my group, and from range the sorc/sage realize he is under attack only when the shield collapse (more subtle than a mara or jug jumping it)

With mine I try to take a position where I can LoS, and avoid being isolated as much as i can. I apply affliction to as many people as possible before unleashing lightning, since when I do its a nice "hi there sorc over here!" sign :P



Edit : fixed typo.

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Lenjok
11.21.2012 , 03:13 PM | #5
I think what they need to do with lightning spells is make them all instant instead of channeled but make them have a cooldown. That wasy you have a solid burst dps, going through all your lightning spells.

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lokdron
11.22.2012 , 12:38 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by verfallen View Post
It does have survivability issue, not dps one.

In many WZ, left alone, sorc/sage pulls huge ammount of dps on a group. Therefore, they are bound to be focus fired, and when on my sniper, I make sure to burst them down as they come. I avoid lots of damage to my group, and from range the sorc/sage realize he is under attack only when the shield collapse (more subtle than a mara or jug jumping it)

With mine I try to take a position where I can LoS, and avoid being isolated as much as i can. I apply affliction to as many people as possible before unleashing lightning, since when I do its a nice "hi there sorc over here!" sign :P



Edit : fixed typo.
Well going by the class feedback topic in the sorc section there is a DPS problem many of the pvpers say that sorc has a dps problem why do you think none of the dps sorcs in pvp go never go full lightning or madness? All of them are hybrid and even then the their dps is no where near the other dps classes. Plus the parse numbers for operations show that operatives and sorc are the lowest in terms of dps. With sniper and marauders at the top.
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verfallen
11.22.2012 , 01:59 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by lokdron View Post
Well going by the class feedback topic in the sorc section there is a DPS problem many of the pvpers say that sorc has a dps problem why do you think none of the dps sorcs in pvp go never go full lightning or madness? All of them are hybrid and even then the their dps is no where near the other dps classes. Plus the parse numbers for operations show that operatives and sorc are the lowest in terms of dps. With sniper and marauders at the top.

This is where you need to consider the incredible AoE of the class. I won't speak for operative, I'm not familar enough with the class, altough I have a suspicion on why.

Pretty much, you can't give them the same single target damage as a marauder, since why the heck would people play marauders then? There is a class with awesome AoE potential and same damage amd even better its ranged!

I'll agree top tier ability need some loving, but if they give loving and we are able to keep the AoE, we go back to wrath powered chain lightning, and dps class that can insta heal nearly like an healer-spec.

Its not as easy a fix as you might think. I play a lot of classes and sorc is currently very good at distributing damage over a group of 3+. Nobody will outdps you then, even derp smash/sweep mara/sent. They'll blow their one big aoe, and you'll be in the back thinking "yah I can get up to 3, one being on no cd lol"

So yes, on a dummy parse you come up shorthanded (my mara have noticeably more single target dps than my sorc, at similar gear. Mara before getting any kind of end-game gear did 1150 dps, sorc around 1000.

But passed a PvP perspective of "class as "-" survivability, and "-" burst therefore "++" damage is very simplist, and will screw many pve fights.

What could however prevent that is if you'd manage to say, give an expertise or basic PvP bonus to the class. (take 5% less from players base, ex) no idea if its possible tough.

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AdmiralParmesan
11.22.2012 , 06:40 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by verfallen View Post
This is where you need to consider the incredible AoE of the class. I won't speak for operative, I'm not familar enough with the class, altough I have a suspicion on why.

Pretty much, you can't give them the same single target damage as a marauder, since why the heck would people play marauders then? There is a class with awesome AoE potential and same damage amd even better its ranged!

I'll agree top tier ability need some loving, but if they give loving and we are able to keep the AoE, we go back to wrath powered chain lightning, and dps class that can insta heal nearly like an healer-spec.

Its not as easy a fix as you might think. I play a lot of classes and sorc is currently very good at distributing damage over a group of 3+. Nobody will outdps you then, even derp smash/sweep mara/sent. They'll blow their one big aoe, and you'll be in the back thinking "yah I can get up to 3, one being on no cd lol"

So yes, on a dummy parse you come up shorthanded (my mara have noticeably more single target dps than my sorc, at similar gear. Mara before getting any kind of end-game gear did 1150 dps, sorc around 1000.

But passed a PvP perspective of "class as "-" survivability, and "-" burst therefore "++" damage is very simplist, and will screw many pve fights.

What could however prevent that is if you'd manage to say, give an expertise or basic PvP bonus to the class. (take 5% less from players base, ex) no idea if its possible tough.
First of all the post is completely inaccurate but there are so many problems with it I will break it down for you.

Burst is what matters in pvp whether it is AOE or single target. Even if sorcs had the single target burst marauders have they still would not be as good as marauders. This is actually because of several reasons. First of all Sorc damage is unreliable. All of our good damage eventually relies on casting, which every class in the game has an interrupt off global cooldown so casting is not always an option. Due to our low defenses we are required to kite melee in order to survive, however since our casts make us immobile we can not produce good damage while kiting. Marauder has excellent defenses, reliable damage, excellent burst and THE BEST GROUP PVP UTILITY IN GAME. Even if marauders were the worst class in the game, they would still be taken for predation in rated groups.

You see while dotting up several targets using affliction looks nice on the damage board it doesn't contribute to the kill. You seem to believe that this AOE justifies the class, but in actuality the sorc aoe abilities are only good for pointlessly spreading damage over time. Forcestorm does low damage and leaves you immobile, and affliction tab dotting hardly causes a threat. Chain lightning only hits hard off of crit in full lightning spec, and you can only get a proc for it off of casts. So that leaves deathfeild as our best aoe ability, which that move alone far from justifies a sorc DPS in rated.


Sustained AOE does not matter in ranked when high burst focus fire nets a good team kills in seconds. Sustained AOE might get you the numbers at the end of the match, but in reality you did little else other than slightly pressure the enemy team.

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wwkingms
11.22.2012 , 06:56 PM | #9
sorcs are the squishiest class and the single target dps is laughable..

the state of sorc pvp is a joke.. i cant believe how far this class has fallen...

while im getting chain crit for 4-5k and running for my life i can barely scratch my target with whopping crits of 3k at most

this cant be ignored the class is unplayable in warzones without gaurd
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wwkingms
11.22.2012 , 07:04 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by wwkingms View Post
sorcs are the squishiest class and the single target dps is laughable..

the state of sorc pvp is a joke.. i cant believe how far this class has fallen...

while im getting chain crit for 4-5k and running for my life i can barely scratch my target with whopping crits of 3k at most

this cant be ignored the class is unplayable in warzones without gaurd

in fact the only class i do well against in warzones now.. are other sorcs/sages


im fairly certain if i stood in one spot a maurader could kill me in about 5 seconds tops..

however i can stand and let loose on one of these fks and their hp barely moves...

our dots are a WASTE of gcd... our big abilities such as death field, crushing darkness, chain lighting ahit like wet noodles and lightning blast isnt worth the gcd to cast it instantly...

to keep sorcs as squishy as they are its only rational to dramatically up their dmg output..

by my logic sorcs/sages should have THE HIGEST single target dmg in the game to counteract their pitiful hp and defense
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