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Maybe it is ranked warzones that need some work?

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Pvtcarnage
11.20.2012 , 08:40 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Muramxx View Post
Not really, you like all the hardcore premade or die people dance around the subject rather then give stright answers. If you want a close game because it's so much funner then go against other premades which would give you a lot closer games (like has been suggested over and over.) It's not some "casuals" that do not like the system it's mostly across the board that the system is ****ed up. It's the casuals (who make up most of the player base) who want it to be as even as it can be, so that the "casuals" who make up most of the player base aren't getting beaten 24 out of 25 times. So yes all games eventually cater to the "casual" gamers (who make up most of the revenew, through subs and now a CStore) because if they didn't games would be very short lived. So call me what you will and dance around a completely legit question as all others who think the game should be built around the top 20%.
Nice lol... and as expected. The hardcore are the people that stick around and pay subs and now also buy coins because they plan to be around and don't threaten to leave at anything that disturbs casuals no work and all play mentality. What your complaining about is something that has been cried about for years in many games and is nothing new.

And again I explained my view pretty clearly on your question, please feel free to re-read it and maybe comment on it. Ignoring it only makes me believe your are to lazy to or lack any come back "troll" response.

Throwing assumptions around about how many feel your way and how many feel my way is just how you feel about the current state of the game, there's no actual fact other than some agree with you and some don't.

And one last note: I find it really hard to believe that it takes 24 games to win one, I pug a lot to and it's never been that bad or even close. What server are you on? Repub or imp? Think anyone would disagree with you if you actually posted that info?

EDIT: Also feel free to ask that question in different ways and that don't sound like your mind is already made up. Or make a mock scenario to fine tune it if you think I dodged something. I promise to keep tabs on the thread. But time for my "easy mode" I guess
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them.
-Darth Bane

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Muramxx
11.20.2012 , 09:45 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
Nice lol... and as expected. The hardcore are the people that stick around and pay subs and now also buy coins because they plan to be around and don't threaten to leave at anything that disturbs casuals no work and all play mentality. What your complaining about is something that has been cried about for years in many games and is nothing new.

And again I explained my view pretty clearly on your question, please feel free to re-read it and maybe comment on it. Ignoring it only makes me believe your are to lazy to or lack any come back "troll" response.

Throwing assumptions around about how many feel your way and how many feel my way is just how you feel about the current state of the game, there's no actual fact other than some agree with you and some don't.

And one last note: I find it really hard to believe that it takes 24 games to win one, I pug a lot to and it's never been that bad or even close. What server are you on? Repub or imp? Think anyone would disagree with you if you actually posted that info?

EDIT: Also feel free to ask that question in different ways and that don't sound like your mind is already made up. Or make a mock scenario to fine tune it if you think I dodged something. I promise to keep tabs on the thread. But time for my "easy mode" I guess

It's a pretty simple question and no you haven't answered it you have danced around it why do you belive the top 20% deserve an easy mode but the other 80% doesn't? Your answer is simply "your a troll" and "read my ramblings" that in no way answer the question. Even if it's a tard response like "I worked to get where I am so I should be able to slaughter lesser people" that would be an answer. It only requires 1 maybe 2 sentences but you have to fill up an entire page and expect me to have a decoder ring to figure out what saying. Also you are dead wrong, games cater to the "casual gamers" as was pointed out before, because at the end of the day they make up most of the money that is going to BW.. The casual gamers are more likey to buy cartel coins in order to get things such as the +41 crystals because it's an easy way to give them a little more bang when it takes them 4x as long to get the gear the pugstompers get.

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Pvtcarnage
11.21.2012 , 12:23 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Muramxx View Post
It's a pretty simple question and no you haven't answered it you have danced around it why do you belive the top 20% deserve an easy mode but the other 80% doesn't? Your answer is simply "your a troll" and "read my ramblings" that in no way answer the question. Even if it's a tard response like "I worked to get where I am so I should be able to slaughter lesser people" that would be an answer. It only requires 1 maybe 2 sentences but you have to fill up an entire page and expect me to have a decoder ring to figure out what saying. Also you are dead wrong, games cater to the "casual gamers" as was pointed out before, because at the end of the day they make up most of the money that is going to BW.. The casual gamers are more likey to buy cartel coins in order to get things such as the +41 crystals because it's an easy way to give them a little more bang when it takes them 4x as long to get the gear the pugstompers get.

First of all this whole 20/80% is a made up number and I will not try to argue about something neither one of us know....might as well argue over number of stars or argue over evolution vs creation vs alien involvement.

I only call people trolls that repeat the same thing based on "feelings" not fact and refuses to counter valid points made by those who oppose them. Your just spreading misinformation to back your hollow claims, and I would also say it scares away potential customers.

Question:
Quote:
None of you want to admit that PUGstomping is your easy mode and you don't want that advantage taken from you.

The question that is always avoided...
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well it's not really a question, but rather a insult and stating something is true and that others need to own up to your "belief" and that the bad evil people live to ruin poor defenseless players that don't group. But here we go anyway,

Answer:
No I won't admit to what you want to believe, fact is BW made this game the way it is and I understand that if I want to win and get comms faster I need to group up with people that also want to win and gear faster. I also happen to like playing with long time friends and meet new people. And yes if BW could add cross sever ques I would be more than happy to have some ques filtered based more on skill balance.

There short as I can make it with all the assumptions made it that statement or what you happen to call a question. But please pick at that one so I can try to give more insight that you seem to lack about people who like to play together in a MMO-TEAM based game play.

And of course I love the whole "they cater to the casuals because that's were the moneys at" Oh yeah? would you be here crying if that were true? and everything from that point on is opinion and based off what you want to believe to make yourself feel justified for asking a large portion of players to go play in the corner because this game is ours attitude. I'm guessing you will not respond again or maybe you'll just repeat no one admits to ruining your gaming and you can't be troubled to put effort in to change the situation as others do.

One last thing to ponder, you think maybe there are a lot of premades around because people did not leave but instead wised up and grouped up? just a thought.
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them.
-Darth Bane

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Muramxx
11.21.2012 , 01:03 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
First of all this whole 20/80% is a made up number and I will not try to argue about something neither one of us know....might as well argue over number of stars or argue over evolution vs creation vs alien involvement..
I am so glad you know when I log on and when/what I play, I mean I am fairly certain I know what I am doing when I get on better then you do so pro keep calling me a liar about how I play..

Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
I only call people trolls that repeat the same thing based on "feelings" not fact and refuses to counter valid points made by those who oppose them. Your just spreading misinformation to back your hollow claims, and I would also say it scares away potential customers...
You call people trolls because you have nothing worthy of posting except insults. What scares away potential customers away are when they see that the community of players constently insultbecause they have nothing to stand on.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
Question:

well it's not really a question, but rather a insult and stating something is true and that others need to own up to your "belief" and that the bad evil people live to ruin poor defenseless players that don't group. But here we go anyway,

Answer:
No I won't admit to what you want to believe, fact is BW made this game the way it is and I understand that if I want to win and get comms faster I need to group up with people that also want to win and gear faster. I also happen to like playing with long time friends and meet new people. And yes if BW could add cross sever ques I would be more than happy to have some ques filtered based more on skill balance.

There short as I can make it with all the assumptions made it that statement or what you happen to call a question. But please pick at that one so I can try to give more insight that you seem to lack about people who like to play together in a MMO-TEAM based game play.

And of course I love the whole "they cater to the casuals because that's were the moneys at" Oh yeah? would you be here crying if that were true? and everything from that point on is opinion and based off what you want to believe to make yourself feel justified for asking a large portion of players to go play in the corner because this game is ours attitude. I'm guessing you will not respond again or maybe you'll just repeat no one admits to ruining your gaming and you can't be troubled to put effort in to change the situation as others do.

One last thing to ponder, you think maybe there are a lot of premades around because people did not leave but instead wised up and grouped up? just a thought.
Maybe you should log on to any other MMO sorry but in the 20 years of playing them there has always always been the elitists vs the PUGs... it will always exists and yes look it and ask around anyone will tell you that there are more solo casual people that play on these games then the elites. And F2P would never of happened if people didn't quit but nice try saying "they all must have grouped up." that makes me . All you can do is insult and pretend that you know everything right down to me and when I log in and how often I group it's rather cute. I also enjoy that your idea of an MMO is "everyone must play in premade groups" *clap* there have always been and always will be PUG's and unless I am mistaken the G means groups, which means PUG's are still doing the MMO thing as much as you hate on it.

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Pvtcarnage
11.21.2012 , 01:18 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Muramxx View Post
I am so glad you know when I log on and when/what I play, I mean I am fairly certain I know what I am doing when I get on better then you do so pro keep calling me a liar about how I play..



You call people trolls because you have nothing worthy of posting except insults. What scares away potential customers away are when they see that the community of players constently insultbecause they have nothing to stand on.



Maybe you should log on to any other MMO sorry but in the 20 years of playing them there has always always been the elitists vs the PUGs... it will always exists and yes look it and ask around anyone will tell you that there are more solo casual people that play on these games then the elites. And F2P would never of happened if people didn't quit but nice try saying "they all must have grouped up." that makes me . All you can do is insult and pretend that you know everything right down to me and when I log in and how often I group it's rather cute. I also enjoy that your idea of an MMO is "everyone must play in premade groups" *clap* there have always been and always will be PUG's and unless I am mistaken the G means groups, which means PUG's are still doing the MMO thing as much as you hate on it.
You make no sense dude, and your not helping your cause with it your laughable arguments.

But out of curiosity What does the following
Quote: Originally Posted by Muramxx View Post
I am so glad you know when I log on and when/what I play, I mean I am fairly certain I know what I am doing when I get on better then you do so pro keep calling me a liar about how I play..
Have to do with this :
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First of all this whole 20/80% is a made up number and I will not try to argue about something neither one of us know....might as well argue over number of stars or argue over evolution vs creation vs alien involvement.
Did you forget what I was referring to? Please answer this question for me
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them.
-Darth Bane