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Clevelandboy

11.20.2012 , 06:31 PM \| #601	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Macheath ^ The Burning Crusade: - Level cap raised 10 levels (60 -> 70). - New quest area (Outland). - New raids (plural, there were 5 new raids in the launch of BC.) - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - A new Battleground (Eye of the Storm). - A new Arena system. - Open world PvP objectives. - 2 new races (which, let's face it, is harder than BioWare implementing new races, since these races have entire storylines built around their respective peoples. In ToR, it's as easy as a facial reskin.) Wrath of the Lich King: - Level cap raised by 10 (70 -> 80). - New quest area (Northrend). - 3 New PvE raids. - 1 new PvP raid. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - New "Hero" Class (Death Knight). - A new Battleground (Strand of the Ancients). Cataclysm: - Level cap raised by 5 levels. - New high level zones. - Environmental redesign of existing zones, complete with "thousands'" (claims Blizzard, I've never counted ) of new PvE and PvP quests for those zones. - New open-world PvP questing area. - 2 new PvP Battlegrounds. - A new PvP instanced dungeon. - 4 new raids. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - 2 new races. - New talents and spells for existing classes. Mists of Pandaria: - Level cap raised by 5 levels. - New continent, as well as new leveling areas throughout the world. - 3 new raids. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - A new class. - A new race. - Complete overhaul of talent system. - Pet battles. So... let's recap, shall we? Each and every expansion featured a level cap increase, new quest content, multiple new raids, new PvP content (except Mists, apparently), plus a smattering of additional goodies. And let's not forget, they were releasing content in between these major expansions as well; content which was free of additional charge to subscribers. -Macheath. and the details on the xpac for SWTOR has not been released other than a new race, lvl cap raise and a new planet...

Soluss

11.20.2012 , 06:32 PM \| #602	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Macheath ^ The Burning Crusade: - Level cap raised 10 levels (60 -> 70). - New quest area (Outland). - New raids (plural, there were 5 new raids in the launch of BC.) - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - A new Battleground (Eye of the Storm). - A new Arena system. - Open world PvP objectives. - 2 new races (which, let's face it, is harder than BioWare implementing new races, since these races have entire storylines built around their respective peoples. In ToR, it's as easy as a facial reskin.) Wrath of the Lich King: - Level cap raised by 10 (70 -> 80). - New quest area (Northrend). - 3 New PvE raids. - 1 new PvP raid. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - New "Hero" Class (Death Knight). - A new Battleground (Strand of the Ancients). Cataclysm: - Level cap raised by 5 levels. - New high level zones. - Environmental redesign of existing zones, complete with "thousands'" (claims Blizzard, I've never counted ) of new PvE and PvP quests for those zones. - New open-world PvP questing area. - 2 new PvP Battlegrounds. - A new PvP instanced dungeon. - 4 new raids. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - 2 new races. - New talents and spells for existing classes. Mists of Pandaria: - Level cap raised by 5 levels. - New continent, as well as new leveling areas throughout the world. - 3 new raids. - Multiple new Heroic dungeons. - A new class. - A new race. - Complete overhaul of talent system. - Pet battles. So... let's recap, shall we? Each and every expansion featured a level cap increase, new quest content, multiple new raids, new PvP content (except Mists, apparently), plus a smattering of additional goodies. And let's not forget, they were releasing content in between these major expansions as well; content which was free of additional charge to subscribers. -Macheath. Sweet, now lets look at Rifts new expansion: Storm Legion: - Level increase of 10 levels - 2 new continents that more then triple the size of the game - New epic stories - 4 new souls (these are basically classes) - new quests - new instant adventures - new onslaughts - new rifts - new dynamic events - 7 new dungeons - 3 new raids - 1 new chronicle (chronicles are similar to those Lotro adventures that you can insta port to and scale to how many people are in your party) - Join the Hunt: New rift gameplay propels you into battling increasingly-challenging planar bosses - new mobs and creature types and new dynamic event bosses - Dimensions (this is their take on personal customizable housing and it looks fantastic. It is not just a hourse but a dimension of the game area that you can completely customize) - raise in crafting level with new recipes - New puzzles, artifacts and collectibles, achievements, mounts, pets, titles, and much more I wont even talk about the entire years worth of free updating they did. It was atleast 5x's the content that ToR put out.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

Soluss

11.20.2012 , 06:33 PM \| #603	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Clevelandboy and the details on the xpac for SWTOR has not been released other than a new race, lvl cap raise and a new planet... Scratch the new human skinned race. That will be put on the cash shop seperately.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

Soluss

11.20.2012 , 06:34 PM \| #604	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah That is what your cartel coin allowance for your monthly sub is for. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND REAL WORLD CURRENCY!!!!! Yeesh. Yeah ok... just save everything they give you for 6 months and not purchase a thing... then you can get the expansion free!! Thats your answer for everything... use your "free" cartel coins. When are you going to realize that the "free" cartel coins will eventually not be enough to purchase all the content they put out there? Now you will say... just save for it. Well by the time you save for it more content will be out.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

Scovina

11.20.2012 , 06:36 PM \| #605	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss Sweet, now lets look at Rifts new expansion: Storm Legion: - Level increase of 10 levels - 2 new continents that more then triple the size of the game - New epic stories - 4 new souls (these are basically classes) - new quests - new instant adventures - new onslaughts - new rifts - new dynamic events - 7 new dungeons - 3 new raids - 1 new chronicle (chronicles are similar to those Lotro adventures that you can insta port to and scale to how many people are in your party) - Join the Hunt: New rift gameplay propels you into battling increasingly-challenging planar bosses - new mobs and creature types and new dynamic event bosses - Dimensions (this is their take on personal customizable housing and it looks fantastic. It is not just a hourse but a dimension of the game area that you can completely customize) - raise in crafting level with new recipes - New puzzles, artifacts and collectibles, achievements, mounts, pets, titles, and much more I wont even talk about the entire years worth of free updating they did. It was atleast 5x's the content that ToR put out. Yes this is a valid point. We should get something comparable to the other mmo's expansions. Although I feel Rift is a crap game but that is a matter of opinion so I can't objectively compare it to SWTOR. However you are complaining about something that has not even come to pass. We have 0 information on what the planet may contain, how many levels we will get, FP's, WZ's and the list goes on and on. TL;DR You are making a mountain out of a mole hill!

Andryah

11.20.2012 , 06:36 PM \| #606	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss Sweet, now lets look at Rifts new expansion: Played Rift. It just does not have the appeal for me that this game does. For me it's the staleness of the "free" content (which is cut, paste, adjust the skins... give out different coinage, yada yada) AND uninspiring lore. The end game is the only thing interesting, and even that is tedious after a while. As for their expansion... more of the same, and not appealing. Content adds are meaningless if the game itself lacks something desireable. That's why there are different MMOs, for different tastes. I guess the difference between you and me is I don't linger in the Rift forums to shoot the game producer in the face every day for every nit picking thing. I moved on to other MMOs I enjoy. Play what you enjoy... let others play what they enjoy. No need to haunt game forums for MMOs you have no respect for.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

Soluss

11.20.2012 , 06:47 PM \| #607	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah Played it. It just does not have the appeal for me that this game does. For me it's the staleness of the "free" content (which is cut, paste, adjust the skins... give out different coinage, yada yada) AND uninspiring lore. The end game is the only thing interesting, and even that is tedious after a while. Content adds are meaningless if the game itself lacks something desireable. That's why there are different MMOs, for different tastes. I guess the difference between you and me is I don't linger in the Rift forums to shoot the game producer in the face every day for every nit picking thing. I moved on to other MMOs I enjoy. Play what you enjoy... let others play what they enjoy. No need to haunt game forums for MMOs you have no respect for. Please, if Rift had Star Wars skin you would be all over it. I know I would. Im not there because Im tired of fantasy and thats the only reason. Rift is the best MMO to come out in over a decade. If it sci fi it would be the ****. As for your reskinned updates, thats laughable. They have done alot with that game. You probably havent played it since the first couple updates which added mostly raids, dungeons, group finder, modding, and events that are among the best events that any MMO has put out. Since then they have added instant adventures, onslaughts, 3rd faction PVP, conquests, fishing, survival, and a lot more. Not to mention they probably have the best raids and dungeons out of any MMO. Speaking of raids, they have 20 man raids and 10 man raids. 10 man raids arent just dumbed down scaled down raids either. They are entirely different raids then 20 mans. Did I mention that in the instant adventures they put in scaled down raids that scale all the way down to solo players? So its the 1 MMO, on the planet, that solo players have been asking for... the ability to solo the raids and see the content that they otherwise couldnt. The rewards are appropriately scaled down but solo players can do the raid encounters on level. Thats just the tip of the iceburg. Sure its not for everyone and everyone has different tastes but you cannot deny both the quanitity and quality that Rift puts out, on a regular basis, all for 15 bucks a month. Again, if it had a star wars skin, you would be all over it.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

Andryah

11.20.2012 , 06:49 PM \| #608	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss Yeah ok... just save everything they give you for 6 months and not purchase a thing... then you can get the expansion free!! Thats your answer for everything... use your "free" cartel coins. When are you going to realize that the "free" cartel coins will eventually not be enough to purchase all the content they put out there? Now you will say... just save for it. Well by the time you save for it more content will be out. Having played LoTRO for years now and never had to pony up a dime for game currency, even for paid expansion content, I'm going to disagree with your doom and gloom. It gets to where it is hard to find a way to spend the subscription allowance any where near zero balance. So unless Bioware goes down a rat hole imbalanced freemium model, I have no worries for SWTOR either. Until they actually do what you are so afraid of, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is conspiracy theory based on absolute conjecture on your part.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

Andryah

11.20.2012 , 06:50 PM \| #609	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss Please, if Rift had Star Wars skin you would be all over it. Pointless... because it doesn't and never will. Rift is based on shallow and pointless lore, which in and MMO is death as far as I am concerned. And the instant adventure mechanics was the start of the end for me personally. Gee... rehashed raid content abreviated and dumbed down to one man solo play. Silly sauce all around.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

Soluss

11.20.2012 , 06:51 PM \| #610	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah Having played LoTRO for years now and never had to pony up a dime for game currency, even for paid expansion content, I'm going to disagree with your doom and gloom. It gets to where it is hard to find a way to spend the subscription allowance any where near zero balance. So unless Bioware goes down a rat hole imbalanced freemium model, I have no worries for SWTOR either. Until they actually do what you are so afraid of, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is conspiracy theory based on absolute conjecture on your part. Lotro is Lotro and run by Turbine and WB. ToR is ToR and run by EA and well EA. What happens to you in Lotro is not mutually exclusive to what happens in ToR.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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