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Revisiting An in-depth look at: Revan

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Revisiting An in-depth look at: Revan

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Airmo
11.19.2012 , 06:31 PM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Xatasha View Post
So? Generals are often near the front lines however this doesn't mean generals are tactical geniuses. Again you can be a lackluster tactician as long as you know who is the tactical geniuses are and use them. Example would be Raven using the exile
Revan was telling the Exile what to do though. =/ I remember a moment in the cave on korriban in a flashback of the war that even the Exile had no idea what they were doing or something to that effect. Point is Revan was an active general, he wasn't just sitting there saying "you have a job to do now figure it out".
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Xatasha
11.19.2012 , 06:34 PM | #152
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George Lucas disagrees with you. Mace Windu won the Lightsaber duel, shatterpoint was key to it. He saw the weaknesses in Sidious' defenses and applied his attack to break them. He also saw Sidious' trust for Anakin, which is one of the reasons he wanted to defeat Sidious quickly.

Mace Windu applied shatterpoint to beat Sidious. He didn't care what effect it had, so long as the Sith were vanquished.
Really? Sidious is alive and Mace is dead doesn't equal a win in most peoples books. Seems to me his shatterpoint failed him.

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Rayla_Felana
11.19.2012 , 06:35 PM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Revan was telling the Exile what to do though. =/ I remember a moment in the cave on korriban in a flashback of the war that even the Exile had no idea what they were doing or something to that effect. Point is Revan was an active general, he wasn't just sitting there saying "you have a job to do now figure it out".
He was not telling the Exile what to do, the Exile had her own half of the Republic fleet to command, which she, with no outside help led to victory on worlds like Dxun, Serroco and more.

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SoonerJBD
11.19.2012 , 06:36 PM | #154
Aurbere, you need to stop posting about Revan. You simply can't talk about him without letting your obvious bias against his character show.

I have no problem with the idea that he hasn't mastered both sides of the force or that he doesn't use them both simultaneously. These are, quite frankly, semantic issues. I don't mind you favoring Mace Windu in a duel. I think that is certainly a logical opinion, though you took it a bit far with the hyperbole about Revan crying. But when you say he isn't a master tactician, you do so in direct conflict with what we see and hear in the games and the novels.

Canderous doesn't just say that Revan is a master tactician, he essentially credits him for single-handedly winning the war with his tactics and by besting Mandalore himself in the final battle. "Character statements aren't canon," is a cop-out. Yes, this is an opinion statement. But we have no reason not to believe that Canderous' opinion isn't valid. In fact, given that he is praising an enemy, we have every reason to believe what he says. Kreia's statements similarly portray Revan as a tactical genius as do the statements of other characters. His leadership turned around the war. Discounting that achievement by saying he used the Madalorians' tactics against them is similarly ludicrous. You make it sound as if he stole some sort of secret Madalorian playbook. All he did was make smart tactical decisions, sacrificing planets when necessary for the greater war effort. These aren't Mandalorian tactics so much as they are generally sound military planning. By any measure, Revan is a master tactician.

As for his other abilities, we know he bested Mandalore and Malak in duels. Malak was leading an entire army of Sith at the time, none of whom could best him. We are told Revan was one of the finest duelists of his era. We know he had a considerable connection to the force that not only allowed him to defeat opponents but also to redeem many of them. He redeemed Ajunta Paul's ghost, among other things. These are not the achievements of a better than average Jedi.

No, Revan is not some end-all force God like Luke Skywalker. But he is the leading Jedi of his era. He is clearly a powerful Jedi with unique and strong ability in the Force. Trying to constantly downplay him as you do comes across like you have some sort of axe to grind. You need to take a few deep breaths.

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Rayla_Felana
11.19.2012 , 06:37 PM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Xatasha View Post
Really? Sidious is alive and Mace is dead doesn't equal a win in most peoples books. Seems to me his shatterpoint failed him.
Mace was the clear winner of the duel, but Sidious could always have killed Windu with his Force Lightning, which was more powerful than any other ever seen.

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Xatasha
11.19.2012 , 06:37 PM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Revan was telling the Exile what to do though. =/ I remember a moment in the cave on korriban in a flashback of the war that even the Exile had no idea what they were doing or something to that effect. Point is Revan was an active general, he wasn't just sitting there saying "you have a job to do now figure it out".
All good generals are active however it doesn't mean they are tactical geniuses. Most good leaders are Jack of all trades they know something about everything but are masters of none. However they put the masters in position to do the most good.

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steaktrooper
11.19.2012 , 06:38 PM | #157
Are these guys still going at it? I think this may be your most popular thread yet, Aurbere
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Airmo
11.19.2012 , 06:38 PM | #158
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He was not telling the Exile what to do, the Exile had her own half of the Republic fleet to command, which she, with no outside help led to victory on worlds like Dxun, Serroco and more.
But he was. Not in every battle, but he was giving her orders just like he gave them to Malak.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Airmo
11.19.2012 , 06:40 PM | #159
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All good generals are active however it doesn't mean they are tactical geniuses. Most good leaders are Jack of all trades they know something about everything but are masters of none. However they put the masters in position to do the most good.
Wait. Did I say he was a tactical genius? I don't remember saying that. I do however think he was the best of everyone there, which is why he was in command.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Xatasha
11.19.2012 , 06:40 PM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Mace was the clear winner of the duel, but Sidious could always have killed Windu with his Force Lightning, which was more powerful than any other ever seen.
Who cares if he won the duel he was still dead and his death served only to help put Sidious in charge of the empire. Won a battle, lost the war. If his shatterpoint was that powerful he would of known that to confront Sidious at that time would of been really bad.