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Mosh_Mosh_Mosh
11.18.2012 , 10:31 PM | #21
And wth is this thread I stumbled upon?

Well, time to put up an essay

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sankalp
11.18.2012 , 10:40 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Mosh_Mosh_Mosh View Post
lol Midian from JJT right?

No challenge
Yeh its not really a challange when we faceroll

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Tiberians
11.18.2012 , 10:43 PM | #23
OP- Nice post! I don't pvp as much as I once did.....but when i have pvp'ed recently I have been plesently surprised at the speed at which teh "regulars" decimate groups, and also at how well they work togather

It is obvious from what I have seen lately theat there are quite a few people within the pvp community that not only know how to play their charcaters extremly well, but also work incredibly well togather as a group/team.

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Michka
11.18.2012 , 10:46 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by azzhealy View Post
This pretty much hits the nail on the head; I really thought that spec was astounding Tox when you brought it to the server, thought it was the best thing to give sorcs a bit more survivability but after seeing how MVPís ranked team managed to use it as an extra stun for their class by clicking it off and positioning themselves before hand to maximise the people who get stunned by it I realised the exploit it had become.

It brings the game to a halt and takes out any aspect of a competitive match. While I know you have told all our sorcs how to use the spec none of them like it, they feel it can be abused too easily and donít want that poor conduct on their name.

We did manage to get one Sorc into it ready for a ranked match with MVP hoping we could show you the error of the spec before Bioware fixes its resolve but the majority of our ranked team lives in New Zealand so come 9-9:30pm our Guild departs for the night.
Idk about the rest of my team, but personally, I have never once in my entire life clicked off the bubble for the stun. (More out of my own laziness and bad play than on some moral stance ) I get the feeling that your problems with Zanshiri are a lot more personal and drama whatnot than simply a spec issue, and I'm not even gonna go there, but if you wanna just relax n' stuff and get along for just a moment, here's what I see when I play your team in ranked.

You have an extremely melee heavy team, and for myself, being able to carelessly throw out a grenade/flash grenade just wherever and confidently hit 4+ people on your team with it everytime is your larger problem. Half of your team is easily CCable and easily kiteable. Take away the stun bubble and it'd be slightly more work for me to do it, but still easily managable and I do it all the time against pug groups like that in regular WZs since I generally run regular WZs with no cross healing at all and do fine.

It's unfortunate if that's simply the only group composition you can throw together atm, we are lucky in MVP currently that the team of people who are generally online also have a pretty good class synergy.

But may I ask how you guys choose your focus targets? I genuinely know very little about stuff from a dps perspective because healing is pretty much all I've ever really done in significant amount in the game, but I can tell you at least from my own experience that you guys make it very easy for me to do what I do, stun bubbles or not.

For example in one Novare Coast against you, Seis and I were guarding a node and he had a guard on me (Zanshiri was at a different node, so you can't complain about her bubbles in this situation.) You guys all attacked Seis. I was left completely alone to stand there and do w/e I wanted. Idk if you figured you couldn't kill me with a guard on, so Seis had to be killed first (and that's possibly true, Idk) but I can tell you that I'm pretty much not ever letting Seis die if I'm allowed to just sit there and chill and free cast and whatnot, and he's the only one taking damage. You should have had 1 decent dps switch to me and just hassle me with CC's/interrupts so I couldn't help him as well, have the rest of the dps clean up Seis and then deal with me after. Why did that never happen? I got to free cast pretty much that whole game, not that I mind! Like I said Zanshiri was nowhere at that node, and so if stun bubbles were the exclusive reason your team is losing to us, why couldn't you kill us there and take the node when she wasn't even around?

You have good individuals on your team, and atm you are suffering from bad class composition, but I'm seeing a lot of silly mistakes and then hearing a lot of complaining about bubbles that don't seem all that related. I've won every WZ I've played today, I've not had any cross healing and only played 2 WZs with bubble stuns and the other 6+ games I played without. It made no difference at all to the outcome, and almost every game I played was against people in Seraphic Nexus. It's starting to get a bit personal where they are saying stuff in /say at the end of WZs to me about the bubble stuns, when in most of the games I healed against people in your guild with no sage in my group and no cross healing of any kind and won. Bubble stuns may be a problem but there is a lot more your guild could be doing to perform better and compete better, and you guys are starting to see bubbles where there are none. You know scoundrels can't bubble right?
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Mosh_Mosh_Mosh
11.18.2012 , 11:47 PM | #25
*rubs face* my must you do this to me?

Was gonna write something long on how stupid this is but decided to keep it short, rude and simple

Being the number one complainer on this game with raged fueled first by 300ms connection and now a computer that gets 5-10 fps a wz forcing me to go into Rage/Focus spec because vigilance/vengeance is too hard to play on this pos cuz its way too much game lag and players skipping around making me dizzy and you can't play vigilance on a game lagging pos computer efficiently event though it seems like it cuz I'm playing better than you, cuz you suck >:I

So being the number one complainer I like to tear apart anything that needs to get nerfed. Atm the only thing I want nerfed is the scoundrel crouch. That's it, my only complaint and it's one of the few reasons I quit my sentinel cuz of the immunity to charge while theyre crouched. That aside, Hold the **** up. Are you serious?!??! We're complaining about a damn blind bubble? Lmao, when Labby was playing for you I nvr in my life complained about that thing. The blind bubble is a complete joke

The master of the damn blind bubble is the sorceror from NS who returned recently and I'm having a brain fart on his name. When I first played the spec on my guardian he was squish and actually fun to try and kill. Only till I played him on my sentinel did I really realize he wasn't only good but he was a beaaaaaaast due to losing a lot of abilities that my guardian had. Now that he's back and I'm playing my guardian I can't kill him anymore cuz my computer is too crappy and it makes me sad cuz he was actually a challenge and I enjoyed playing him. If youre reading this computer will come in mail soon and we can enjoy our confrontations again but atm enjoy easily kiting me . Anyways, why don't you just grab him(his name will pop up in here soon I'm sure) and do ranked with him orrrrr we'll just play without Labby. Either or, we win, like always.

Everyone's been getting along lately but now with this crap that you've gone and put? Basing our slaughterings on blind bubbles? Screw that. We don't even get on vent for ranked anymore cuz everyone is a complete joke and takes no effort to beat.

QQ 2 second stun on a 20 second cd that can be ranged down if not, obliterated through. You act like shes standing on 3 different sections of a map at a time. I'm sorry she's not casting the bubble on 8 ppl every 20 seconds cuz were split up through the map. That would just be you getting wrecked without bubbles and complain about the one that happened to stun you in the entire game.

"don't worry guys, if they didn't have blind bubbles we wouldn't have gotten 3 capped like that an entire game. As soon as blind bubbles get nerfed, we'll easily beat em"

^^^ is that the kind of crap you tell yourselves?

***** ridiculous and embarrassing

Whoops guess it did turn into something long on how stupid this is

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BennyKrak
11.18.2012 , 11:50 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Mosh_Mosh_Mosh View Post
lol Midian from JJT right?

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Mosh_Mosh_Mosh
11.18.2012 , 11:51 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by sankalp View Post
Yeh its not really a challange when we faceroll
Who were you rolling again?

And who were you again?

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Mosh_Mosh_Mosh
11.18.2012 , 11:59 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Tiberians View Post
OP- Nice post! I don't pvp as much as I once did.....but when i have pvp'ed recently I have been plesently surprised at the speed at which teh "regulars" decimate groups, and also at how well they work togather

It is obvious from what I have seen lately theat there are quite a few people within the pvp community that not only know how to play their charcaters extremly well, but also work incredibly well togather as a group/team.
That's why we flow so well together. MVP is like a little family. You just don't **** with family

That and a lot of our dps like to 1v1 so we just end up dueling hours at a time sometimes to improve each others abilities and turns us into efficient killing machines. dueling isn't only for 1v1s. Learning to smack down classes efficiently helps you out against the ppl who don't just stand still and take it up the butt.(which I don't personally mind doing myself somtimes *wink* *wink*

That aside, enjoy getting railed by 6k lul sweeps while my computer sucks.

Lul sweep spec is good for playing bads while vigi is for playing good. Easy right?!

Luckily so many bads out and about I can play aoe spec and wreck since it doesn't require fast paced movement that my computer can't handle to play.

Actually learned a lot about aoe spec from Kramer by watching him months back since he was the only amazing aoe spec player I knew

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Timbohh
11.19.2012 , 12:04 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
I get the feeling that your problems with Zanshiri are a lot more personal and drama whatnot than simply a spec issue
Not true, in fact from our side it appears she takes it alot more personally than intended. The problem with the blind talent has been well documented and frapsed/youtubed. She seems to take it as a personal slight against her when people are annoyed by it.
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
You have an extremely melee heavy team
We actually dont have a set team. We play when we can with the best we can. But we dont feel the need to make people play a specific class/playstyle simply because it's FoTM/OP at the current time. People play what they want to, and we have fun!
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For example in one Novare Coast against you, Seis and I were guarding a node and he had a guard on me (Zanshiri was at a different node, so you can't complain about her bubbles in this situation.)
Noone's complaining about your team/playstyle or any specific game. People are complaining about the ability/talent itself. This circumstance you're talking about is pretty messed up. Obviously i wasn't there, or i would have been focussing you (as usual ) Obviously some people need to get slapped into line! :P
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You have good individuals on your team, and atm you are suffering from bad class composition
Thanks! We appreciate the compliment. Yeah we are still teaching some people, so mistakes are bound to happen. Our class makeup is also never set, so what we have - we play with.
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
but I'm seeing a lot of silly mistakes and then hearing a lot of complaining about bubbles that don't seem all that related.
You are completely right. They are, and always have been, 2 diff subjects entirely.
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
I've won every WZ I've played today, I've not had any cross healing and only played 2 WZs with bubble stuns and the other 6+ games I played without. It made no difference at all to the outcome, and almost every game I played was against people in Seraphic Nexus.
I only played 1 or 2 of those games earlier i think? You're right, those games had nothing to do with bubble stuns. Entirely to do with 6ish FoTM/OP MVP guildies VS. 2-3 of us + awesome pugs (Mrmjratcough)
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
It's starting to get a bit personal where they are saying stuff in /say at the end of WZs to me about the bubble stuns.
If people are /saying at you, i apologize. If you could let me know, in game, some of these people, i'd like to have a chat to them. As that's not something we encourage or support. I personally would have no hesitation removing them if they're making slanderous insulting comments. That being said - Jwalsh.... /say slander king of warzones. Always good for a lol when he starts talking :P
Quote: Originally Posted by Michka View Post
Bubble stuns may be a problem but there is a lot more your guild could be doing to perform better and compete better, and you guys are starting to see bubbles where there are none. You know scoundrels can't bubble right?
Couldn't agree more. Composition and gear (for some) is definately a defining difference. Gear can be obtained, but we aren't going to force people to play a class/spec that they dont enjoy, just to make a competitive match. Also, scoundrels cant bubble??!!

We appreciate your observations and feedback Dom. You and Mosh are always a blast to talk to

When all is said and done, you guys are on a different time to us (in terms of active time). So it's not really a big deal. Most of our key members are heading to bed as yours are logging on. Hopefully once we finish gearing up some people, and get a team together we're satisfied with, we'll be able to have some good games against you.
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Whispz
11.19.2012 , 12:19 AM | #30
Mosh, the only 3 sorcs/sages that have played bubble burst from the start even when it was only a mezz that I know of was, Labyrinth (Hybrid heals), Myself (Hybrid Dps) and Wolvie (Hybrid Heals). Im assuming your talking about wolvie and I hope hes back as I havent seen him on for ages