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Shield/assault hybrid tank?(pvp)

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Shield/assault hybrid tank?(pvp)

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CJNJ
10.29.2012 , 12:58 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Rassuro View Post
Even if lowering the CD on Reactive Shield and Adrenaline Rush was that important to you, one of the main problems here is that you have both talented Ion Cell and Plasma Cell. You can only ever use one of these.

For example, if damage mitigation is important, then you are probably using Ion Cell. However then spending talent points on Ionic Accelerator does nothing, and you end up spending 5 points for High Friction Bolts because Superheated Plasma does nothing (and the Plasma burn refresh in HFB does nothing).

On the other hand, if you're using Plasma Cell, then Neural Overload and Ion Overload will do nothing.
The only points in plasma cell are the ones necessary to progress to the next tier. The 3 points in superheated plasma are taken to take the HiB buff(30% armor pen) and ammo reduction on it, as I assume that using IG will give the ammo recovery buff that is stated in High Friction Bolts. You say that if I'm in ion cell then plasma cell does not refresh? NO F**KING WAY. The 1 point in Ion Accelerator is there because there is no other place to put it.

I know the spec is meh, but at leas think before you type

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TipsyDrow
10.29.2012 , 01:25 PM | #12
You really really really want to either go full blown shield spec or do the ironfist build for pvp tanking as a vanguard.
I've played a vanguard tank since early access. I have an agressive playstyle so the iron fist suits me very well. I have all dps gear except the shield.Our main goal in pvp is damage reduction for our team and guarding the healer.
both single target and aoe taunt everytime it's off CD. Ion puls and explosive surge should both be specced to reduce damage by a further 5%, use those also as much as possible. I went iron fist so I could actually do some decent damage against anyone attacking the healer I am hopefully guarding. if there's no healer to guard, I guard a dps and go on offense. Still spreading those taunts, ion pulses and surges everywhere.
Some folks run 31/10 shield spec and use all dps gear except the impalnts weapon and shield.
Either is viable in pvp.
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ezrafetch
10.29.2012 , 06:25 PM | #13
The issue with both of the specs that you designed is that you give up a whole lot to get very little. Since you have to go up the Assault tree to get Adrenaline Fueled and Reflexive Shield, and you want to use Ion Cell, you're investing points in fringe skills that have literally zero benefit: Parallactic Combat Stims and Degauss at the very least come to mind. All this to achieve lowered cooldowns on Reactive Shield and Adrenaline Rush, which, in the tanking tree, the former can be partially addressed by increasing passive damage mitigation while the latter has a CDR talent in the Shield Specialist tree. The opportunity cost of choosing those skills to create a Shield/Assault hybrid is far too high.

Since the Assault tree completely revolves around Plasma Cell and exploiting the burn effect, it simply isn't good enough for Shield/Assault hybridization. Shield/Tactics works much better in its ability to pressure while maintaining a semblance of tankiness (I'll refer to this role as a pressuring tank). In going up the Tactics tree, while you need to avoid the HEC-related talents, you gain critical PvP talents that will help you function as a pressuring tank: Containment Tactics, Tactical Tools, and Frontline Defense all allow you to maintain pressure on your opponents in ways the Assault tree cannot provide with better/more available CC such as your stun, your pull, and your interrupt, which all allow you to easily frustrate opponents attempting to damage your teammates or take an objective.

The Shield/Tactics specification I would run is 21/20/0 Shield Specialist/Tactics. I avoid Static Surge because I firmly believe Explosive Surge is positively awful, choosing instead Battering Ram as a way to manage Stockstrike's ammo consumption. I chose Storm over Hold the Line, as Storm gives better overall mobility, while providing an interrupt and a root, which are vital CC for your role as a pressuring tank. Vanguards may not necessarily as utilitarian as the Shadow tanks and Guardian tanks, but your DPS output should be high enough in this hybrid spec such that your unparalleled combination of mobility and DPS will be able to pressure healers and objectives adequately.

I will say, though, Bioware has been picking off many of my favorite Vanguard builds: first, Carolina Parakeet, and recently, Iron Fist. It makes me sad. And if they had left those specs alone, you probably wouldn't be having this talent specialization problem, ha.

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Rassuro
10.30.2012 , 12:50 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by CJNJ View Post
The only points in plasma cell are the ones necessary to progress to the next tier. The 3 points in superheated plasma are taken to take the HiB buff(30% armor pen) and ammo reduction on it, as I assume that using IG will give the ammo recovery buff that is stated in High Friction Bolts. You say that if I'm in ion cell then plasma cell does not refresh? NO F**KING WAY. The 1 point in Ion Accelerator is there because there is no other place to put it.

I know the spec is meh, but at leas think before you type
wat?
Why suddenly turn into a hardass?

Look, I'll be blunt: Your specs suck. The reason why I felt like I had to point out the specific talents for you was because your spec is so bad that I didn't know if you even understand those basic concepts. You're wasting a lot of points to gain very little.
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maestruljedi
11.17.2012 , 08:18 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by ezrafetch View Post

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I agree with you in all but one thing: that spec you posted. I don't understand some of your choices. You took rebraced armor over Ion Shield, meager dps increase like Serrated Blades over bigger increase like Heavy Stock and you bypassed two of the most useful dmg reductions from Power Armor and Static Field. No no no. Passive global mitigation is the king. You should get that over anything else as tank. Armor rating is unly useful for kinetic and energy attacks, everything else bypasses armor so 16% armor increase actually offers less protection than 2% passive mitigation. The bleed from Gut is laughable, you don't need it for anything else than to prevent restealthing or whatever. Stockstrike is your bread and butter and you should try to buff that, not Gut.

Also the point in blaster augs is useless, since 8% ion cell damage is meh to say the least. Aside Storm, a full Tactics build with Ion cell will perform better than your build. Same mitigation with much more utility.

But we're talking about tanking, so personally i would run this: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#80...RroZRcrrobZo.2 as hybrid, but probably a full ST build would be better.

RIP Ironfist though, it was a beautiful thing.