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Gyronamics
11.17.2012 , 03:37 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBloodloss View Post
Please don't even mention the words Explosive Dart or Missile Blast. Next you'll be telling me to add Shoulder Slam into my rotation....

Explosive Dart is only an AoE by definition, its not an actual viable AoE. It shares a cooldown with Thermal Detonator and does significantly less damage. Why spread Thermal out between three people? Why not just Thermal one guy...

Fusion Missile is also not a viable AoE. It does so little splash damage that you could actually argue that it would be better as a single target so it doesn't break CCs.
Read the thread again and find the point where anyone supports using Missile Blast for anything.

1) Explosive Dart does not share a cooldown with Thermal Detonator

2) Mercs do not have DFA ready for every single pack, you have to know how to use your AOE

e.g. Kephess EC
DFA on one pack
Explosive Dart + Flamethrower the next pack
Fusion Missile + Sweeping Blasters the third (I get a damage bonus on that last one as I'm Pyro)

Clearly you must be doing something else since you don't want to use Explosive Dart, what DO you do?

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DarthBloodloss
11.17.2012 , 05:27 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
Clearly you must be doing something else since you don't want to use Explosive Dart, what DO you do?
LOL seriously?

and Flamethrower? smh
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Gyronamics
11.17.2012 , 06:38 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBloodloss View Post
LOL seriously?

and Flamethrower? smh
I'm not hearing an answer.

I'm hearing someone flapping about.

You're rubbishing my moves, describe yours.

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Macroeconomics
11.17.2012 , 08:37 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
Would you bring warriors to an ops over mercs because of the warriors AOE damage.
I would bring warriors to an ops over mercs because they do more damage. However in certain ops at least there are mechanics that incentivize not having 4 melee dps and no ranged/mercs. No such incentives exist in PvP. For PvP there is one rule: Never use a Merc dps. They are the worst subclass in the game for PvP.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
Clearly you must be doing something else since you don't want to use Explosive Dart, what DO you do?
I do use Explosive Dart. A lot actually. But this gets right back to the point in my first reply. Merc dps is stuck using an inferior AoE - costs more resources, affects fewer enemies, does less damage per enemy and has delayed damage effect. It's perfectly fine for other classes to have abilities that do all those things better than Merc dps does. But according to the devs, Merc dps needs to get DFA nerfed, because Mercs are too powerful! LOL.

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Gyronamics
11.17.2012 , 09:49 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Macroeconomics View Post
I would bring warriors to an ops over mercs because they do more damage. However in certain ops at least there are mechanics that incentivize not having 4 melee dps and no ranged/mercs. No such incentives exist in PvP. For PvP there is one rule: Never use a Merc dps. They are the worst subclass in the game for PvP.
More what damage?

I said AOE because, well, this is your AOE thread.

Quote: Originally Posted by Macroeconomics View Post
I do use Explosive Dart. A lot actually. But this gets right back to the point in my first reply. Merc dps is stuck using an inferior AoE - costs more resources, affects fewer enemies, does less damage per enemy and has delayed damage effect. It's perfectly fine for other classes to have abilities that do all those things better than Merc dps does. But according to the devs, Merc dps needs to get DFA nerfed, because Mercs are too powerful! LOL.
I was replying to DarthBloodloss who doesn't consider ED an AOE.

But again you insist on comparing one of the weaker AOE attacks that mercs have to Smash, the best AOE that warriors have.

Yes, DFA is a channeled attack and can be interrupted.

Just like much of the rest of the damage a Merc does...

There is no like for like here, the only similarity between the two attacks you want to compare is the CD.

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TyrellJonez
11.17.2012 , 12:48 PM | #16
Ok lemem dip my toe in so it can be ripped off.

Warriors don't do more damage in Ops than Mercs. If they do, your mercs are doing it wrong. Pyro does more AoE and Arsenal does more single target. Atleast in the raids I'm in. =)

Several times I've had the opportunity to hit FM+Firestorm grenade from cybertech+DFA+sweeping blasters and watched 5 people burn and die while nobody knew where the damage came from. Its rarely used as an arguement, but our AoEs are RANGED. Meaning we don't have to be directly in the fight to use them. That is both a positive and a negative in PvP btw.

Although i agree we don't have anything quite as powerful as smash for PvP. Giving us an ability that is will not solve any problems either, it will just make matches faster with insane tons of AoE damage. What we could use is a talent that reduces AoE damage or better yet REFLECTS it back at the attacker.

Think about that a second. If Mercs had a shield/skill that didn't stop us recieving the damage of an AoE attack, but REFLECTED it back at the attacker then guess what? Rage spec warriors will start thinking twice about spamming smash since they are gunna kill themselves as well.
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Macroeconomics
11.18.2012 , 11:19 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
I said AOE because, well, this is your AOE thread..
Not my thread. But w.r.t. the AoE, read on below...

Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
But again you insist on comparing one of the weaker AOE attacks that mercs have to Smash, the best AOE that warriors have. Yes, DFA is a channeled attack and can be interrupted. Just like much of the rest of the damage a Merc does
We are comparing Explosive Dart to Smash because that is what the Merc will commonly use to generate assured damage against a pack of enemy players. DFA can be used only 1/6th as often as Smash and will typically generate only 1/3rd to 1/4th the damage output of Smash. And it is significantly worse from an energy mangement standpoint. Frankly it is ludicrious that anyone is even attempting to argue that Merc dps can compete with Jugg/Sent Rage specs as an AoE platform. There isn't a single high rated ranked wz team that would even consider replacing their Smash Monkeys with a Merc. Merc dps sucks. It sucks at survivability, it sucks at burst damage, it sucks at overall damage and it sucks at utility. And yes, even at AoE damage it sucks compared to other AoE classes. If you want to argue that Merc dps does better AoE damage than a Carnage Mara, then yeah, I'll give you that. Doesn't change the FACT that Merc dps is the worst subclass in the game for PvP.

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Rynis
11.18.2012 , 03:19 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuronan View Post
Corrosive Grenade: Speced into lethality tree...slowly ticking dot

Plasma Probe: 31 points required in engineering tree

Death Field: Speced into madness tree

Chain Lightning: Lightning tree

Wither: 31 points required in darkness tree

Smash: You are telling me a spec that focuses on aoe damage is better than fusion missile? That sounds ridiculous
Honestly you can't compare fusion missile with attacks that take skill points to get and a skill tree that revolves around AoE damage.

Although I do agree a slightly lowered heat cost would be fantastic.
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Henu
11.18.2012 , 05:28 PM | #19
You guys talk about Merc using this and that but your not saying what advance class you are, because this makes a huge difference. As a merc arsenal, these are the abilities i use. (note there are 6 on the top right for combat too)
http://i.imgur.com/BTaSj.jpg
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DarthBloodloss
11.19.2012 , 06:16 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
I'm not hearing an answer.

I'm hearing someone flapping about.

You're rubbishing my moves, describe yours.
Sorry for rubbishing your moves. I just feel that any mob worthy of an AoE is a trash mob anyways. I don't find it worth it to map attacks to my hotkeys just for use on trash mobs. Sweeping Blasters is more than enough IMO.
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