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Signs that you're good or bad at your role


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soowonlee
11.16.2012 , 04:12 PM | #1
Don't know if something like this has appeared before. I thought it would be useful for players to have a way of gauging their level of playing ability. Disagreements and additions are welcome.

All roles
You are bad if:
You are not geared correctly, e.g. you're a tank but you don't have a shield generator. or you're a sentinel wearing smuggler gear.

You are oblivious to your surroundings while playing, i.e. you play with tunnel vision.

You ignore instructions and don't follow proper loot etiquette.

You don't use key binds.

You are good if:
You avoid most or all unnecessary damage in any fight while remaining maximally effective.

You are attentive to boss mechanics and work to improve each time you raid.

You mix and match mods/enhancements to optimize relevant stats.

Tanks
You are a bad tank if:
You do not have "Target of Target" enabled in your UI.

You fail to hold aggro for one or more mobs.
Test case: Kaon Under Siege

You fail to hold a boss's aggro throughout most or all of the fight.

You are a good tank if:
You can place an enemy exactly where they are supposed to be.
Test case: Soa

You can area taunt with precision.

You coordinate tank switches efficiently with your other tank.
Test case: Fabricator, Zorn & Toth, Ciphas/Heirad/Kel'sara

You use your defensive cooldowns effectively

DPS
You are a bad dps if:
You are using your abilities either randomly or arbitrarily.

You are not attacking enemies in the correct order (weakest to strongest).

You are a good dps if:
You employ a maximally effective rotation and can do it while paying attention to what's going on in the fight.

You use your aggro dumps effectively so that you can apply maximal damage while minimizing threat.

You can efficiently kill adds during a boss fight.
Test case: Gharj, Foreman Crusher, Karraga, Writing Horror, Terror from Beyond

You time your offensive cooldowns so that they are in use during a boss's vulnerable moments.
Test case: Soa, Warlord Kephess, Kephess the Undying

Heals
You are a bad healer if:
Assuming a group that is competent and adequately geared, you run out of energy/ammo/force before the end of a boss fight.

You don't heal situationally, i.e. you use the same heals regardless of HP level.

You are a good healer if:
You consistently remove cleansable debuffs and DoTs.
Test case: LR-5, Zorn & Toth, Writhing Horror

You can heal through major damage spikes to a single individual.
Test case: Foreman Crusher, Putrid Shacklaw

You can heal through major raid-wide damage.
Test case: Annihilation Droid XRR-3, Ciphas/Heirad/Kel'Sara (HM), Kephess the Undying (burn phase),
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DarthObelisk
11.16.2012 , 07:45 PM | #2
Think you should add to the bad all roles : your lvl 50 and you still dont know what all your class can do.

ran into a player like this a few days ago in a HM FP
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grallmate
11.16.2012 , 08:19 PM | #3
I'd have to disagree with a couple of points.

The best healer I know is a clicker. I was astonished when I learned that, explains why she's having trouble learning to tank though.

I'd also put "raid awareness" as more important for DPS than having a maximal rotation. That is to say, I'd rather have a DPS that pays attention than one that puts out max DPS.

In terms of Kaon, I'm not sure where you're talking about a "group aggro" test for tanks. The final boss ignores threat mechanics and the trash (elites) has special mechanics. The turret is much easier with the tank on it than a DPS, so again, how is this a test compared to any other FP? Personally I find the first pull of Red Reaper to be the hardest one to hold aggro and just generally to survive, in any role.
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Slurmez
11.16.2012 , 09:13 PM | #4
How about you are bad if you have preconceived ideas about people and what they can or cannot do.

I dont use keybinds and am a mouseclicker, people dont know Im a mouseclicker unless I tell them so and people seem pretty keen for me to to come on all these HM and NM operations.

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Sydexlic
11.16.2012 , 10:06 PM | #5
You may be a clicker, you may have progressed the the pinnacle of your abilities as a clicker. The fact remains though, and it's a physical fact, using binds improves a) your situational awareness b) ability to move c) reaction times.

A) Because you're having to track your mouse with your eyes in order to click the correct location. Taking away time that could be used to scan your surroundings, monitor your buffs/procs/debuffs.

B) The most effective movement method is using mouse to rotate your character or point of view. You can turn, change direction etc, much faster with the use of a mouse. This is most important with melee and tanking roles, and a clicker in these situations can usually be spotted as you watch them slowly pan around to chase a target that has run behind them. Situations like Kephess HM+ when he pulls the entire raid to him and then drops the large purple circle is a particular case where someone who's relying on keyboard turning will have a distinct disadvantage, even for a ranged role.

C) Most clearly evident in a target swap situation to rapidly interrupt a target you're not on. You have 2 choices as a clicker, target the caster with your mouse and then click your interrupt, or tab target and then click interrupt. Neither is going to reliably get your action completed in as short a time as the key bind user. I could think of several situations where there are benefits for those using binds.

All these things on their own are small. Add them together and you've got someone who's at a fairly significant disadvantage. I started as a clicker in Everquest over 10 years ago, I had been clicking for 3 years by the time I was finally motivated to make the switch. It's hard, muscle memory takes time to develop, skills and patterns take a while to take shape, but trust me, if you get binding down, you will be much happier with your performance.

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ErosGyne
11.16.2012 , 11:04 PM | #6
if you need to keybind to play this game you are bad, you know how many post this forum has saying this game is very easy.If you think your way to play this game is better, you are bad
I know alot of players that dont keybind their abilities(healers,tanks,dps) and rock on PVE and PVP, they and their guilds 1shot every boss on EC HM and TFB HM, 0 wipes and 0 deads.

killing order of mobs? only if you are undergear, must ppl buy and gear up BH gear, so they are overgear for much everthing in the game.

know your rotation? most hard fight in this game you cant stay still to do 1 full rotation, you have to adapt, folow the boss(Ex. Kephess on TFB), get out of AOE,boss knockback etc.Only on a ops dummy you can just sit there and pew pew.

Tanks aggro? i love when a DPS steal aggro from my tank, in that moment i aggro back, at that moment my aggro sky- rockets and DPS use their de-aggro abilitie after, from that point if the boss dont have some sort of aggro reset i can just stand there and use my basic attack because is no way possible for DPS steal aggro again after.

My point- you are bad if you think you are always right and the others wrong, even if the others can do what you do but different. you are good if you can adapt in any circumstances during a combat and come out a winner

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Slurmez
11.16.2012 , 11:22 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Sydexlic View Post
You may be a clicker, you may have progressed the the pinnacle of your abilities as a clicker. The fact remains though, and it's a physical fact, using binds improves a) your situational awareness b) ability to move c) reaction times.
You know its a PHYSICAL fact that not everyone can PHYSICALLY use multiple keys for a myriad of physical reasons? For example MS? I also have no need to track my mouse with my eyes due to hyper peripheral vision, another fun physical fact, I see everything on the screen at all times and even around it.

Whats funny is my wife who also plays the game and is a binder lambasts me and claims I have the advantage of being a clicker as can use all my abilities at will without the need of a third hand. Being a clicker also doesnt prevent me from mouse turning.

I know binding is easier, I know binding has better performance potential all things being equal but I also know not everyone is able to use keybinds and its not down to a lack of skill, its often down to physical restrictions and I also know from my own performance and the few other clickers that I know that it doesnt hold us back.

Also given the rarity of us mouseclickers I would daresay there is a MUCH bigger percentage of sucky binder players out there than clickers.

Oh and I also do just fine in PvP where there situational awareness needs to be heightened and things are not nearly so formulaic.

*disclaimer, its 5am here and its more than possible Im suffering from the stayed up way, way, way too late grumps so if I sound curt my apologies*

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sumuser
11.16.2012 , 11:23 PM | #8
I overall agree with the OP.

I will disagree with some of the generalized bullet points of what makes a player "bad". Some game aspects need to be learned through experience, trial & error, and the willingness to listen to other more experienced player's advice.
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theblaznee
11.17.2012 , 03:12 AM | #9
Overrall agreed, but it's not quite as black & white..

There are also some points to be made like a tank holding aggro.. It can be pretty tough for even the most skilled tank to hold aggro with a Tionese mainhand against maybe a sniper with a campaign mainhand. So that only goes for tank/dps that are on approx the same gear level.

Plus I would make the argument that a good tank also doesn't try to tank EVERYTHING in a flashpoint.. What they do is try to control the outcome by tanking the most dangerous stuff while keeping an eye on the teams health taunting off people if they are in trouble..

Another good tank quality is knowing pulls, and knowing what can be cc'd to what effect. Same thing goes for all - DON'T BREAK THE DARN CC's ..

Oh, and Kaon as a tank test? That made me lol a little.. With all the dump mechanics and random hitting of people in that that's like the worst tank test you can pick.. It's purely a test of picking the right kill order and living through each pull..
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RanisTheSlayer
11.17.2012 , 04:32 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ErosGyne View Post
if you need to keybind to play this game you are bad, you know how many post this forum has saying this game is very easy.If you think your way to play this game is better, you are bad
I know alot of players that dont keybind their abilities(healers,tanks,dps) and rock on PVE and PVP, they and their guilds 1shot every boss on EC HM and TFB HM, 0 wipes and 0 deads.
You obviously haven't been to NiM EC yet. That op separates the men from the boys.
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