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FourTwent
11.15.2012 , 09:19 PM | #541
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyACT View Post
What they say and what it is are not necessarily the same. Looked at from the outside this looks like an extended trial to me.
that's exactly what this is. you think because they let you do level 1-50 that it means it's f2p. false

it's the old bait and switch. they said it's f2p, get people suckered into the game, and then hopefully get them hooked. restricting things like quickslot bar and hide headslot gear is pathetic

they will release more content/levels past level 50. and then it'll be more in line with how the WoW free trial works

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bornebol
11.15.2012 , 09:24 PM | #542
i'm all for the F2P model but what I don't like is having to need to spend money to get a fully functional UI.

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Chinaexpress
11.15.2012 , 09:39 PM | #543
am I able to post at least??
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skepticck
11.15.2012 , 09:40 PM | #544
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
Yep, agreed. Obviously, the f2p players will want everything free, but that would be ridiculous. There HAS to be some benefit to subscribing.
benefit for subscribing sure and they have to make money somewhere perfectly normal they are a business after all, but "hide head slot" "unify colors" seriously (and that's just 2 examples) , that's just milking it to the extreme.
you want to make money, np just do what other ftp games do so well, add great cosmetic items, mounts, great weapon skins, pets etc... you make cool things available and people will want and will buy them, not this nikel and dime BS.

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Chinaexpress
11.15.2012 , 09:41 PM | #545
I can! I can!
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Malkavier
11.15.2012 , 09:58 PM | #546
I give it about the end of the first 24-hr period before we start seeing calls for raid spots and random FPs with the following:

"No F2P".

Why? Because of the UI restrictions to action bars and the cast bar on top of restrictions to use of purple gear.
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Rizla
11.15.2012 , 09:59 PM | #547
I have the digital deluxe edition, downloaded the game, installed, tried to set up my 2nd quickbar and then just deleted the game.

R.I.P

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AnHero
11.15.2012 , 10:00 PM | #548
Quote: Originally Posted by Malkavier View Post
I give it about the end of the first 24-hr period before we start seeing calls for raid spots and random FPs with the following:

"No F2P".

Why? Because of the UI restrictions to action bars and the cast bar on top of restrictions to use of purple gear.
Quoted for effing Emphasis here.

That is a perfect example of Pay to Win

Interview with bioware employee
Quote: Originally Posted by mmoculture
Q: The major question about F2P; when any F2P project is announced or talked about is what’s gonna be in the cash shop? Lets just put this question out there in as plain and as simple form as possible. What’s your stance on Pay to Win?

A: Pay to win is not something that we like. I don’t want to unbalance the game by putting things out on the store that somebody can walk in on day one, buy and be the winner. Having said that, there will be some things that we put out in the store that do enhance power value in some way, but not at the top end. Trying to think of a good example. We may put a medium level blue piece of armor on the cash shop for example. We might do that. We haven’t decided and we’re still talking about this, but it’s one of those things it is like … most players will have something better than this anyway, but if you don’t here’s the way that you can get a leg up to at least make you equal with the normal players. That is kind of where our thinking is at, but we are still discussing it. But we do not believe in Pay to Win.
Looks pretty p2w to me

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skiibyrd
11.16.2012 , 01:20 PM | #549
Quote: Originally Posted by sinosleep View Post
From the outside they may be similar but the two have far different goals which is why you can't run a f2p service like a trial.

With a trial or a demo the customer is at no point expected to play the game as such forever, that makes it so restrictions can be far harsher. With a f2p model while the goal is to get more subscribers there is an expectation that the vast majority of players aren't going to sub. You can't run the same restrictions when you have a model under which if nothing else, you need to keep the players on your servers long enough for them to purchase SOMETHING from your store even if they never wind up subbing.
And what makes you assume that the expectation is that they assume the vast majority of players arent going to sub? I really think you forget, THESE PEOPLE ALREADY PAID $60 FOR THE GAME... so maybe your theory would hold true on Runes of Magic, or some free to download game, otherwise what your saying is acutally probably wrong. They are trying to get the most people to sub possible, assuming that people have already spent money to purchase the game, and convincing them (With 50 levels, which could take some people weeks or months) that the game is worth their $12-$15 a month.

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
01.15.2013 , 10:52 AM | #550
Quote: Originally Posted by Rizla View Post
I have the digital deluxe edition, downloaded the game, installed, tried to set up my 2nd quickbar and then just deleted the game.

R.I.P
wow your a moron.. Digital Deluxe Edition does not = free perma subscribe... you still have to subscribe if you want full perks.

Anyways, I completely agree that BW is milking this game too much. you dont see other completely F2P games that ARE sucessfull (eg, Maplestory, GunZ, TF2, etc.) milk so much cash that they restrict equipment, UI, and Gameplay Elements.
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