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Drom
11.15.2012 , 07:13 PM | #531
yeah, it's a scam, it's not near any solid F2P model. action bars, rez droid, purple gear etc. these things should be free, especially for former players who already used all of those core features, that are totally gamebreaking if you don't have them.

This kind of F2P only scare former players away

more like pay2win
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Gerandar
11.15.2012 , 07:15 PM | #532
Quote: Originally Posted by Drom View Post
yeah, it's a scam, it's not near any solid F2P model. action bars, rez droid, purple gear etc. these things should be free, especially for former players who already used all of those core features, that are totally gamebreaking if you don't have them.

This kind of F2P only scare former players away

more like pay2win
nah there FTP model is more to give a taste of the story content. a few Warzones and such its not to play the game fully its just a taste, if they changed it where they were not restriced at all, why would anyone pay?

Also being an old player whos returning your not exactly very important you left once, your going to leave again we dont want and or need you here.

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Jorgoman
11.15.2012 , 07:15 PM | #533
Quote: Originally Posted by Drom View Post
yeah, it's a scam, it's not near any solid F2P model. action bars, rez droid, purple gear etc. these things should be free, especially for former players who already used all of those core features, that are totally gamebreaking if you don't have them.

This kind of F2P only scare former players away

more like pay2win
It can't be a scam, as they aren't TRICKING anyone. Furthermore, this won't be the game's downfall. Some people are taking the complaining a bit too far. I think it's a nice module that could do with some improvement, sure, but that is to be expected.

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sinosleep
11.15.2012 , 07:18 PM | #534
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyACT View Post
What they say and what it is are not necessarily the same. Looked at from the outside this looks like an extended trial to me.
From the outside they may be similar but the two have far different goals which is why you can't run a f2p service like a trial.

With a trial or a demo the customer is at no point expected to play the game as such forever, that makes it so restrictions can be far harsher. With a f2p model while the goal is to get more subscribers there is an expectation that the vast majority of players aren't going to sub. You can't run the same restrictions when you have a model under which if nothing else, you need to keep the players on your servers long enough for them to purchase SOMETHING from your store even if they never wind up subbing.

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Jorgoman
11.15.2012 , 07:21 PM | #535
Quote: Originally Posted by sinosleep View Post
From the outside they may be similar but the two have far different goals which is why you can't run a f2p service like a trial.

With a trial or a demo the customer is at no point expected to play the game as such forever, that makes it so restrictions can be far harsher. With a f2p model while the goal is to get more subscribers there is an expectation that the vast majority of players aren't going to sub. You can't run the same restrictions when you have a model under which if nothing else, you need to keep the players on your servers long enough for them to purchase SOMETHING from your store even if they never wind up subbing.
It's got a few kinks here and there, but it's a great, great start.

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sinosleep
11.15.2012 , 07:22 PM | #536
Quote: Originally Posted by Gerandar View Post
I dont know, I've had well over 300+ on fleet since the last merge of servers, oh and you FTP players leaving wouldnt effect the profits, your not paying so there not going to lose anymore money.

The game had a decent pop for the amount of servers it had befor FTP your not saving the game infact I'm sure once people got there past Cartel Coins some of them unsubbed and now are playing for free, thus FTP costing EA/BW money not helping.
Not paying a sub doesn't mean not paying smart guy. As I made ABUNDANTLY clear in my first post, spending money is not a problem for me. Spending money on a monthly sub is.

Not to mention, even if we didn't spend any money, guess what, we still increase profits by virtue if population increase. Plenty of people unsubbed due to population drop. If the population increases from f2p and some older subscribers come back in direct response guess what? F2P will have increased profits without any f2players spending any money on their own.

Third, if it wasn't issue, the game wouldn't be going f2p. EA are in this for the money, they're not going F2P out of the goodness of their hearts. They NEED us, if they didn't it wouldn't be an option.

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Gerandar
11.15.2012 , 07:25 PM | #537
Quote: Originally Posted by sinosleep View Post
Not paying a sub doesn't mean not paying smart guy. As I made ABUNDANTLY clear in my first post, spending money is not a problem for me. Spending money on a monthly sub is.

Not to mention, even if we didn't spend any money, guess what, we still increase profits by virtue if population increase. Plenty of people unsubbed due to population drop. If the population increases from f2p and some older subscribers come back in direct response guess what? F2P will have increased profits without any f2players spending any money on their own.

Third, if it wasn't issue, the game wouldn't be going f2p. EA are in this for the money, they're not going F2P out of the goodness of their hearts. They NEED us, if they didn't it wouldn't be an option.

If they remove restrictions from FTP players why would anyone pay? FTPer's should be restricted a ton they are not paying monthly if they want they can buy a pass and remove some restrictions for a week or two thats fine, they paid for that but just giving that away for free? no thats just wrong and as a paying customer(unlike you) I would take my money and go elsewhere.

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sinosleep
11.15.2012 , 07:27 PM | #538
Quote: Originally Posted by Gerandar View Post
If they remove restrictions from FTP players why would anyone pay? FTPer's should be restricted a ton they are not paying monthly if they want they can buy a pass and remove some restrictions for a week or two thats fine, they paid for that but just giving that away for free? no thats just wrong and as a paying customer(unlike you) I would take my money and go elsewhere.
When did I say they should remove ALL restrictions. Quote me, I'll wait.

And for the 2nd time now, for the reading impaired, when did I suggest I'm not willing to spend money. A subscription isn't the only way to be a paying customer. They do have a store now, there's even a link to it on the front page.

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Gelious
11.15.2012 , 08:39 PM | #539
I understand the whole idea of restrictions, I really do. Those who subbed must have more perks then those who went FTP, or else former have no reason to pay. and latter will never start paying either.
The problem here is exactly the one the title of the thread speaks about. Some of restrictions are stupid.
Forget WZ, forger FP and even limited cash.
Just why is it we must buy quickslots for our skills? That's right, originally there are 2 rows of them available for use, the rest have to be bought. Now, I can't speak for each class, but I know for sure my marauder need 3 rows of icons to play well.
Limiting number of free quickslots is a terrible idea.
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sinosleep
11.15.2012 , 08:49 PM | #540
Surprise, surprise, no quotes. Someone disagreeing with you isn't justification for putting words in their mouth.
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