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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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JP_Legatus
11.13.2012 , 11:16 AM | #101
Discharge and shock is always the opener for deception because its simply more damage. You are eventually going to have to thrash or vs anyways and you have regen boost from dark embrace so why wouldn't you? Let vs be what it is: a boost to your shock damage when you get around to using it.
If you open vs as deception you're just bad, period. There are much better ways to deal damage with your DE regen than to waste it on VS while your regen is 150%.

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Xethis
11.13.2012 , 01:13 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by JP_Legatus View Post
Discharge and shock is always the opener for deception because its simply more damage. You are eventually going to have to thrash or vs anyways and you have regen boost from dark embrace so why wouldn't you? Let vs be what it is: a boost to your shock damage when you get around to using it.
If you open vs as deception you're just bad, period. There are much better ways to deal damage with your DE regen than to waste it on VS while your regen is 150%.
This is why Wakajinn is such a powerful spec, when Deception Assassins finally start seeing how powerful they can be with out utilizing 2xVS for every single Shock, they will then start noticing that they can drop VS and pick up an ability like DF. The increased crit damage to Thrash via Claws of Decay talent pretty much brings the Thrash ability up to the same damage as VS. So just ask yourself, do you want 30% more damage to Shock, or do you want an instant cast 30m aoe ability that hits almost as hard as Shock to multiple opponents. If you are altering your opening to start off with Shock and Discharge already then you are already playing Wakajinn style. You already forfeited your bonus damage to Shock so you might as well take DF for its awesomeness.

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JP_Legatus
11.13.2012 , 01:56 PM | #103
Again I'm not saying wakajinn is bad its a great spec, the utility is great for stopping off node in civil war. Outside of that though the thrashing blades talent for deception spec easily puts vs past thrash damage especially considering you will only ever passively crit with either skill and after your opener deception will quickly and vastly overpower anything the wakajinn can do.
But again it's about what you consider a good trade off. If I wanted utility I'd go 23-1-17 and if I wanted nothing but deeps I'd go full madness. I like what deception can do and the recklessness/lightning combo is enough range node stop for me. Others may want pull and whirlwind and others may just want DF. I consider deception the best spec we have for killing the other guys, but whatever works in your wz is great.

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EatenByDistance
11.13.2012 , 06:36 PM | #104
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Outside of that though the thrashing blades talent for deception spec easily puts vs past thrash damage
Your overall short term burst is still weaker and in the longer term the difference is marginal and almost always offset by Death Field anyways.

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the recklessness/lightning combo is enough range node stop for me.
Way too unreliable and it depends on your opponent being in LoS. That makes or breaks the first few seconds of high level Civil War (the only time in the game that really matters since it is all about who caps first).
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...and the only person who doesn't think so is some B-team assassin DPS who is just dragging his team down by playing the incorrect spec.

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Xethis
11.13.2012 , 08:05 PM | #105
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I like what deception can do and the recklessness/lightning combo is enough range node stop for me.
It definitely has its limitations though. First you have to have your Reck buff available, and they have to be in LOS (not hiding on the other side of the node). Wasting your Reck buff to stop a cap can really hurt you in the dps when you don't have it available for your Shock/Discharge. Sometimes when teams have someone on their team capping they will turn to go cc defenders, some teams will zerg the cap so that a defender has interrupt the caps one at a time and maybe get lucky by not getting targeted. In Novare Coast utilizing Force Lighting to slow down capping a turret is pretty much pointless if there are many people turning the turret. Deathfield is by far the best cap stopper in the entire Assassin arsenal. DF can reach around the corner for the LOS'ers and it can take out 3 people at once when trying to turn a turret in Novare Coast.

To say that "Reck/Lighting is a good enough ranged cap stopper for me", is basically saying you don't give a **** if you win or lose. There are just way too many situations that would make Reck/Lighting useless.

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JP_Legatus
11.14.2012 , 12:17 AM | #106
I did specifically say wakajinn is great for off node civil war as any non idiot would Los you, I said that in my last post. That's the only wz I'd run it in though since lightning is fine in voidstar and for the most part novarre coast. For huttball it seems like 23-1-17 is Jesus spec so I wouldn't even bother doing dps when you can just run snare and fire pull.
As for wakajinn keeping up with deception in actual damage it's just not true, I've run both specs extensively and the outcomes match the predictions.
I know you're not big on damage and I have a guildie who has been in wakajinn for awhile now because he refuses to ever have DF missing from his bar, but there is still something to be said about killing people faster than you would otherwise allowing you to move more freely earlier to help elsewhere. The difference in damage will actually do that.

Anyhow it's a decent spec for alderaan and I'm going to leave it at that bcuz I'm tired of this thread.

Btw the guide you wrote up at the op was really good, it'd be nice to see more stuff like that from fellow sins.

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iesnbold
11.14.2012 , 05:48 AM | #107
Before really putting practive into WJ I really was as skeptical as JP_Legatus on WJ over 31 Deception. Unless your team really need you as a tank or off-tank what greater utility is there to just spit truly high numbers on someone's back ? That "utility" gained from DF is nice but maybe throwing 6-7k shocks on that guy before he can heal/get healed is still more useful.

After a few days of practice, I'd say the best things that you get in WJ are not those that you think of when you check the skill tree or the rotation or even when you play for a few WZ. First, the burst is actually better, in every situation. On the opener, you start with 3 abilites that do over 3K5 damage, and then a potential 5K+ hitter (not counting Assassinate, it's situational and present in both spec anyway. In Deception if you don't open with VS, you only get 1 shock, discharge and maul, all three dealing the same damage than in WJ. You're one 3.5k hitter short compared to WJ, even more against packed opponents.

Now, on the things thare are underrated in WJ, beside by Wakalord in the first pages, is the change of gameplay by having 1 more 10+ m ability. Harder to kite, you're never bothered by a stunbubble again. And you can kite better as well. I'm not counting the times where I near-perfect even without a stun a warrior/knight that comes solo trying to ninja my node any more (really silly to try to ninja-cap by a non-stealth cap you may note, but I'm just saying). So for me WJ is never weaker than 31-Deception, and pulls ahead when Deception is doing poorly, when you're really having this difficult fight against a tough team.

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Semihazah
11.14.2012 , 07:24 AM | #108
thanks for a really great read mate - I truly enjoyd it!

As for the below quote, it really had me cracked up, couldn't agree with you more - I do love red crystals.
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Donít use lightsaber crystals with black cores. They arenít canon (no I donít care about the darksaber) and look stupid and ugly and Iíll tunnel vision you in warzones if that happens then may god have mercy on your soul :B
I have, untill recently - been running all out darkness, as I was under the assumption that this may be the best way to solo, however what you said regarding 23/1/7 woke my interest, even though I play mainly PVE. However stupid my question may be I hope you will find the time to give it a quick and short answer.

Q.: could you please give me a fast breakdown on priorities for what stats go for. You do write about it, but my head was spinning in the end, and I truly don't get it.
Men are so simple of mind, and so much dominated by their immediate needs, that a deceitful man will always find plenty who are ready to be deceived.

- Niccolů Machiavelli

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Xethis
11.14.2012 , 11:41 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Semihazah View Post

I have, untill recently - been running all out darkness, as I was under the assumption that this may be the best way to solo, however what you said regarding 23/1/7 woke my interest, even though I play mainly PVE. However stupid my question may be I hope you will find the time to give it a quick and short answer.

Q.: could you please give me a fast breakdown on priorities for what stats go for. You do write about it, but my head was spinning in the end, and I truly don't get it.
This spec can be a fun spec to play even for pve. But if you are not going to pvp with it, I just wanted to warn you that all three other trees are far more effective for pve. All you are basically doing is Thrash/Shock spam until you get an Exploit Weakness proc then you Maul and of course Assassinate below 30%, and DF as needed. As far as stats, your standard 25% unbuffed crit, 75% Surge and the rest go to Stamina and Power. The true power of this spec is the CC, You get Force Pull, out of stealth Spike and an instant Whirlwind. Which is why it is the strongest spec for new 50's because you don't have the gear for the huge damage numbers the other specs can do. If you are Darkness spec because you enjoy tanking then I would recommend going all the way up the Darkness tree, it is far stronger for tanking. If you are using this spec for dps, then I would strongly recommend going Deception or Madness.

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Semihazah
11.14.2012 , 11:58 AM | #110
thanks for your input Xelthis. After giving it some thought, I will stay Darkness atleast untill I hit 50 and decides what to do with my toon.
Men are so simple of mind, and so much dominated by their immediate needs, that a deceitful man will always find plenty who are ready to be deceived.

- Niccolů Machiavelli