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(Sniper) Does it get better?

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(Sniper) Does it get better?

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TheronFett
11.13.2012 , 03:52 PM | #21
The Agent/Smuggler class dominate in pre-50 PvP because they scale very well. Once you hit 50, though. Well, you'll figure it out.

You've gone from being the big fish in a little pond to little more than a targeting dummy.

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Sideblaze
11.13.2012 , 04:49 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by smellmop View Post
There are plenty of those fotm sents/maras out there to hunt...and gs/sniper has plenty of roots, slows and stuns to deal with them.
I prefer to hunt out the other dps'rs that can destroy me...kinda offense is the best defense. I would much rather get in some big hits on those sents/maras and force them to use their defensive cool downs so I can root/stun them. Much better to be the first punch in a fight imho.....if you wait for one of those classes to get on top of you before you switch to them...you are already dead.

That hybrid build I posted...is a pretty nasty opening rotation that can kill all but the beastliest pvp'rs out there if you can hit them with ...shock charge, vital, shrap, sab charge, wounding shots...that will typically take them to <30% hp and you can then hit them with your Quickdraw/Takedown?(not sure what the finisher is called for sniper)....then switch targets because your bleeds will finish off whatever hp they have left.

Sounds like a long rotation, but all but wounding shots is instant cast so it really happens in a few seconds.
Using a modified version of your build, (Cooldown on stun instead of flashbang thing, Got endurance over cover pulse) how does it handle healers?

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stringcat
11.13.2012 , 04:56 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by SgtBranham View Post
It does get better but it is going to be painful. Snipers are fairly weak in recruit gear (which is a pretty huge shock, coming from the lowbie bracket where snipers can rip though the competition).

Stealth classes are the sniper's hard counter and assassins in particular have great defensive cooldowns to negate what snipers are trying to do.
Assassins in particular? Nah. They're a tough fight,-- the second hardest -- but as an engineer I win a good proportion of my matches against them. (I want to say "half my matches," but that may be my ego / confirmation bias talking ) DPS scoundels/ operatives are the snipers' true bane. You can't ever get them at a distance and they have better opening burst that you can't recover from. I win maybe 10% of my duels against comparably geared DPS scoundrels/operatives. (And frankly, those victories may have been the DPS op feeling sorry for me)

The ones who are real jerks will flashbang you in a duel once entrench wears off and then heal up.

But yeah, the TLDR on snipers is that there is a very hard gearcheck on hitting 50. It takes some misery to gear up and be useful again.
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Theodulus
11.13.2012 , 04:58 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Sideblaze View Post
Hey, This isn't some post whining about how "X is overpowered than Y, Nerf Z." or "These people are being too tactical, nerf grouping"

I'm just curious. My sniper hit 50 yesterday, go and is my favorite one yet, However he's also my only toon i really PVP with Grabbed the recruit gear, and i notice that even the tanks seem to hit me for 5000k(+) easily, while i can't even pray to get a 2500.

I'm pretty sure i'm playing my class "Right" Maybe not the optimal rotation. But i know i'm probably not doing anything -wrong-

Example: I see an assassin coming for me, I cover pulse him, hit him with crit snipe >Ambush> FT and he doesn't even lose a quarter of his health. Now all my heavy hitters are on cooldown, He's fine, and then proceeds to hit me for 10k in a 5-second interval. Shield does nothing, Die instantly.

I know recruit gear sucks, But once i get Battlemaster will i finally be able to dish out the hurt? Or will i still get stomped, Just -less- stomped? I can handle getting focused, but when i have the range advantage, I'd like to think the sniper could handle 1v1 very easily.

If the battlemaster gear will -really- help me out, What would be the best upgrade path to take? Field tech or medic? The only BM gear i have is the Enforcer's Sniper Rifle, Everything else is recruit (For pvp)

Edit: Guess i should -probably- post my spec, I run pure marksman with energy tanks and the crit talent from lethality.

Assuming each one is played correctly, are lethality and marksman on equal ground for PVP? Other topics with that argument really seem to lack any data.
I've gone against a WH/EWH sniper that 3v1 on a node in Civil war and won. Cover pulse, flash bang, knock back on the heavy hitter, the defensive skills etc. My then mostly battlemaster assassin was destroyed before even getting close. Stealth and positioning didn't help at all. My other 2 battlemaster melee comrades were sent to the respawn quickly too. He picked us off one by one. Keep working on it and I'm sure you'll become better at it.

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Sideblaze
11.13.2012 , 06:52 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
I've gone against a WH/EWH sniper that 3v1 on a node in Civil war and won. Cover pulse, flash bang, knock back on the heavy hitter, the defensive skills etc. My then mostly battlemaster assassin was destroyed before even getting close. Stealth and positioning didn't help at all. My other 2 battlemaster melee comrades were sent to the respawn quickly too. He picked us off one by one. Keep working on it and I'm sure you'll become better at it.
Was he a marksman? or engy?

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vimm
11.13.2012 , 07:32 PM | #26
5000k hits? Brutal!
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Smashbrother
11.13.2012 , 08:21 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Sideblaze View Post
For a recruit sniper, Would you recommend lethality or Marksman? I like them both, I just leveled as marksman, so i feel more comfort with that, But i can adjust if lethal is needed as a recruit.
My sniper just hit 50 a couple days ago too, and it's rough until you get your WH weapon and OH.

I was MM, but I switched to lethality and I notice I do alot more damage and kill people a lot more. Lethality has better surv and with it's dots, you can dot people up before you get crushed.

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Smashbrother
11.13.2012 , 08:22 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
I've gone against a WH/EWH sniper that 3v1 on a node in Civil war and won. Cover pulse, flash bang, knock back on the heavy hitter, the defensive skills etc. My then mostly battlemaster assassin was destroyed before even getting close. Stealth and positioning didn't help at all. My other 2 battlemaster melee comrades were sent to the respawn quickly too. He picked us off one by one. Keep working on it and I'm sure you'll become better at it.
Stealth is a hard counter to snipers, how are you 3 so bad you got owned by one sniper. Did none of you have your cc break or def cds up at all? That's the only way I could possibly see him win.

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CharterMonkKent
11.13.2012 , 10:03 PM | #29
Things will get better with gear and augments. But I find engineer to be the most useful for wzs. It's not a smooth character to play. No rotation per se. Although explosive probe with cluster bomb activated by series of shots will down right destroy people. As engineer you can top the damage chart quite often by putting entire groups into a healing deficit. You can easily stack 3 AOEs, and your main aoe has a slow (and no gap in cool down). When geared this is huge dps. Healers cannot keep up with it. Have two engineers together and 6k dps is possible without a high crit rate.

It's a tree built on protection/prediction/deciding where a group of enemies is headed. It can be great in hutball. Make a team walk through your aoes to follow the ball carrier or sit in them while they wait on one side of a fire trap. Tossing 2.5k aoe grenades is rewarding too.
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AboB
11.14.2012 , 01:05 AM | #30
yes, yes it does.