P2W is bad?

First off the gear gain was more of a grind to begin with and those that have more time in turn will have the better gear, thats life tough ****. They made it easier to obtain pvp gear cause of your fellow players "QQ'ing" much like you are. If you are unsatisfied with the lack of challenge it takes to get gear go back to 1.15 and spend the time I spent to get what I had before they made said "P2W" or what ever the hell your calling it.

I do not see a market kiosk that allows you to buy WarZone comms or rWZ comms, and granted others may have more time to grind them and perhaps are smart enough to save the left overs from minmaxing to put in legacy gear for a mirrored alt on the other faction or other AC on the same side. This is because (A) they have more time then you to lvl alts and to do the dailies and don't ***** about the changes made cause in reality they have no control over this, and (B) because they know that things will just become easier down the road if they plan ahead.

Also a QQ on the WarZones? Remember its not BoiWare quing up and FaceRolling you its your fellow players. Its not BioWare rolling premades its your fellow players. Granted they have made the FOTM and its rather annoying, IMO if you don't like it **** as your are only complaining cause you can't take the heat and truly need to get out of the kitchen. This is a game and its players may have a little voice but not all those voices can be heard and the ones that are "are still never satisfied". I would love to see people go back to BM gear grinding in boxes and you spend a month to get geared out even if you put 10 hours a day in the game. Oh yeah and spend that cheddar on making augmented gear before the changes (as this was a true ***** to achieve without even more time to get matts or do dailies for credits to buy them).

Their idea, not mine. But since all cartel items are tradeable on the GTN (yep even new emotes, pvp weekly passes, ball toss, faction banners, charbonite chambes and section x and hk-51 access, xp, valor and social points boost and whatnot), you'll be able to purchase these crystals for in-game credits.

but that means he will have to GRIND money

edit: I am still waiting for that game breaking item that can be bought for real life money (crystals doesn't count, it was already explained)

stopped trying to show you my side of the argument.

Will correct you on the above you wrote.

Pretty sure no one is afraid of how the present f2p model is implemented.

The OP asks why pay to win is a bad idea. alot of people have made valid points against it.

I couldn't care less about lowbie imbalance. I level alts there. It is not balanced and won't. Be as long as bolster doesn't equalize skillpoint pools as well as gear and char levels.

People advocating for free-to-play have never seen or heard:

• YNK Entertainment
• Outspark
• Perfect World Entertainment (PWE)

The last of them being the most successful of the three. If you know anything about free-to-play you know that PWE are the masters of the free-to-play model.

Same thing happens with no lifers or people who wasted enough time to get gear. They are at an advantage compared to player b/c/d. No matter what you do people will always be on an advantage compared to newer players, all p2w would do is increase the amount of people that have top gear giving them equal footing with the rest top gear players. You see the glass half empty, that the players will be hurt because more people will have an advantage compared to them while i see it half full, that there will be more players with top gear and will have better more skill requiring fights.

I dont see the issue with buying the gear simply because there will always be better geared players that will destroy you.(only issue is if bioware incerases the time required to get gear without money)
I see a real P2W problem, which is the few quickbar slots which DIRECTLY hinder someones efficiency against someone who pays and will win due to his money and not his skill. Now that is a real p2w issue


No effort invested=no reward given?

Why do you want to reward something that even a mentally retarded kid could achieve? Grind is an easy repetitive task that even the most dumb person in the world can d, it takes no skill, i dont see why you want to reward them so much. Do you really believe that by getting gear you achieved something big? No you just wasted a lot of time doing a dumb repetitive task which i am not sure how healthy that is long term but thats irrelevant.
And even if you want to reward someone for his effort, i see the people who buy gear a lot more deserving since some might have taken that money through their work who might actually require some skill and it isnt a brainless repetitive task. They obviously deserve it more than the no lifers who waste huge time ingame doing that dumb repetitive task that even a 8 year old can do.

SKILL is what should be rewarded, grinding should not, and its only rewarded here because it gives companies a profit, not because its logical or deserving.

lol. $2k in a year. I played a different game licensed by the same people who did Perfect World, and several people in my guild spent upwards of $10k in the 2 years I played it, including one guy who openly admitted to spending $30k. He had a business in Dubai and was filthy rich.
But yeah, it's amazing the lengths people will go to given the opportunity in a p2w environment.

no decent pvp'er should feel worried about this f2p business model
only the ones that can't perform will
even if u pay or grind u will get the gear..so...everyone is even wich is good
now if they launch a +100 power crystal and the only way to get it is by paying it with CC coins (thus u get a boost in ur damage in this example) that's another thing and it's really bad. By doing so they will basically destroy the suscriber mass and they will not do it.
is not what they are doing so ...
please move along

So the people who actually PvP deserve PvP gear less than those who don't PvP. Seems legit.

yep, do you think a person that stamps documents all at the same spot all day deserves to be rewarded more than a captain of a ship that has quite a few important choices to make??
Thats what your saying, because even a retard can grind to get gear since skill doesnt affect it a huge level

once again you dont want to accept that wasting time doing repetitive tasks like grinding isnt somethign the deserves a reward, its only there because if only skill got rewarded then most gamers would ragequit the game and NOT pay the company because tehy wouldnt be able to be rewarded and would feel bad(and would deserve to feel bad, but that doesnt bring profit now does it?)

I guess you dont want to accept it because that would mean you also have to accept that the big amount of tiem you wasted grinding meant nothing, and that would make you feel bad. Ah usual gamers, having no abillities and using games as a way to feel better even though they dont deserve to feel better since well, they suck xD