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*SPOILER!!!* Sith Warrior Companion/Story: Choice made for you?! ***?!

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*SPOILER!!!* Sith Warrior Companion/Story: Choice made for you?! ***?!

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DarthRamette
11.10.2012 , 04:29 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Kendaric View Post
They could easily have allowed to hire generic mercenary companions with no specific storylines attached to them to replace the ones you killed. Sure, some people would miss out on some companion storylines but that's their own fault. Choices and consequences are important...
Yes but the crying and whining from those who chose to kill Quinn would fill pages. Alot of gamer nowadays would kill Quinn then whine about how they are down a healer and they really didnt mean to do it.

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Captain_Zone
11.11.2012 , 12:13 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRamette View Post
Yes but the crying and whining from those who chose to kill Quinn would fill pages. Alot of gamer nowadays would kill Quinn then whine about how they are down a healer and they really didnt mean to do it.
I know what you mean. Some people can't accept responsibility for their own actions. It would be nice if the option was there, but you're right. The amount of griping, b**ching, moaning, and complaining would be insane. Personally, I never used him with my Juggernaut. My honey Vette was all the combat support I needed.
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DarthRamette
11.11.2012 , 12:36 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
I know what you mean. Some people can't accept responsibility for their own actions. It would be nice if the option was there, but you're right. The amount of griping, b**ching, moaning, and complaining would be insane. Personally, I never used him with my Juggernaut. My honey Vette was all the combat support I needed.
I tended to use Jaesa with my Juggy but with my Marauder I used Quinn a lot.

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Heimskringla
11.11.2012 , 02:26 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRamette View Post
Yes but the crying and whining from those who chose to kill Quinn would fill pages. Alot of gamer nowadays would kill Quinn then whine about how they are down a healer and they really didnt mean to do it.
Bioware didn't design the companion system to allow players the freedom to make Big Choices for the sake of story. Early iterations of the companion system allowed for equipping of companion abilities via kits, so you could equip an AOE kit, a single target DPS kit, or a healer kit on any companion. With that system, the option to be able to kill companions made sense. You could kill a companion and not have your PvE adversely affected.

Bioware apparently had a testing group that thought the companion kits were lulzy, and so Bioware decided to change companion abilities to their current form. The result was that story decisions allowing you to kill your companion meant that you would find yourself at a disadvantage in PvE gameplay if you chose to kill a companion.

So, players made story choices without realizing that those choices would have a deleterious effect on their gameplay experience. It was probably cheaper/easier for Biowar to remove the dialogue trees that led to <Kill Him/Her/It> than it was to re-design the companion system to allow players to choose which abilities to give their companions.

The situation had very little to do with players whining and more to do with some questionable design decision by Bioware. It more or less is another datum indicating that Bioware is very much a single-player RPG company and is completely clueless about how to design for an MMO.
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Costello
11.12.2012 , 06:48 PM | #75
What I found annoying about this was that nothing you do beforehand changes this.

So its not just that choice thats made for you but all the previous choices are worthless. Yes Quinn I will help you with that promotions, yes Quinn I will let you go on secret missions, Yes Quinn I will tell Vette to shut up, Yes Quinn I will allow you to kill the person that ruined your Career. Yes Quinn Baras did just try and blow us up in a trap, Yes Quinn that was Baras Apprentice that put you in med bay, don't worry I saved you and knocked him to his death. Yes Quinn I have fought beside you in the name of the true emporer killing people to stop them from killing you.

Whats that you are still going to betray me despite having pledged yourself to my legacy and having 10,000 affection. That makes no sence what so ever. The story should never have gone down that path if you had a high enough effection with Quinn, but instead its forced down a path of betrayal where you had no choice to do anything about it and let him back into the fold.

Though don't get me wrong, even a dark 5 scumbag would regret killing his only medic. Specially when new content comes out for solo play and you are forced to use a tank or a dps both of which the warrior can do while the one thing he can't replace is the healer.

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DarthRamette
11.14.2012 , 11:55 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Costello View Post
What I found annoying about this was that nothing you do beforehand changes this.

So its not just that choice thats made for you but all the previous choices are worthless. Yes Quinn I will help you with that promotions, yes Quinn I will let you go on secret missions, Yes Quinn I will tell Vette to shut up, Yes Quinn I will allow you to kill the person that ruined your Career. Yes Quinn Baras did just try and blow us up in a trap, Yes Quinn that was Baras Apprentice that put you in med bay, don't worry I saved you and knocked him to his death. Yes Quinn I have fought beside you in the name of the true emporer killing people to stop them from killing you.

Whats that you are still going to betray me despite having pledged yourself to my legacy and having 10,000 affection. That makes no sence what so ever. The story should never have gone down that path if you had a high enough effection with Quinn, but instead its forced down a path of betrayal where you had no choice to do anything about it and let him back into the fold.

Though don't get me wrong, even a dark 5 scumbag would regret killing his only medic. Specially when new content comes out for solo play and you are forced to use a tank or a dps both of which the warrior can do while the one thing he can't replace is the healer.
My whole take on the Quinncident was he felt he had not choice to do it, whether personal honor, mind games played by Baras ext but he did a half *** job thus the two silver droids. He could say he tried, you beat him and if you kill him, which I think he is expecting he will know you will still survive and take baras down.

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OldVengeance
11.19.2012 , 01:52 AM | #77
The problem with Quinn though as that Jaesa will tell you she feels that he is supremely confident, so he genuinely thought he could beat you with those two droids.

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MaximusRex
11.20.2012 , 01:06 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
The problem with Quinn though as that Jaesa will tell you she feels that he is supremely confident, so he genuinely thought he could beat you with those two droids.
Or he was confident that his cruddy betrayal plan would leave you victorious.

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kyagen
11.25.2012 , 05:25 PM | #79
I also would have liked the option to kill Quinn, but I understand why they didn't give it to me. What I don't understand is why I didn't have the option to slap a slave collar or something on him. Seems like that could have been handled pretty easily.

Plus, the idea that you can be maxed out affection with Quinn and still have him betray you is garbage. They could have at least wrote something into the story where if your affection was high enough he warns you about the ambush and you play it out anyway, if they felt that encounter was important enough to be impossible to circumvent. They could have made it a whole master plan where quinn pretends to kill you and you use it as part of your defeat of Baras...instead....bah.

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Malkosis
11.26.2012 , 02:43 PM | #80
Have to agree that Bioware really botched it with Quinn here. The problem is how the player is given zero control over effecting the event and its outcome. This is a prime example of why people feel their choices have no impact on the story or their companions.

I've already seen plenty of good story options listed by others here that Bioware could have implemented. Personally, my biggest gripe is that you have no way to prevent the betrayal from happening in the first place. You can have Quinn at max affection, support his career, trust in his tactical decisions, praise his professionalism, save his life, even marry him....but none of that alters his decision to support Baras and betray you? BS! That, to me, is the most bogus part of it all. It would have been simple enough to implement a dialog where Quinn admits to you that Baras was trying to manipulate him against your character but your actions made him reconsider.

As for how your character isn't given the option to kill him, likely due to gameplay issues, I see nothing wrong with other alternatives such as carbonite freezing, slave collar, crippling him (he returns with his default skin having cybernetics), etc. Its just plain lazy and sloppy story telling to rob players of having any options for such a major event involving one of their own (romanceable) companions.