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An in-depth look at: The Mandalorian Wars

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An in-depth look at: The Mandalorian Wars

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MasterMe
11.10.2012 , 06:37 PM | #121
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Ah. Point taken.

So would I be right to say that the Sith are losing MOSTLY because of internal chaos?

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Aurbere
11.10.2012 , 06:43 PM | #122
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Ah. Point taken.

So would I be right to say that the Sith are losing MOSTLY because of internal chaos?
Yes. Sith infighting really killed their efforts on Corellia and beyond, but even then it seems that the Republic would still have pushed them back.

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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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OldVengeance
11.10.2012 , 10:27 PM | #123
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That logic also states Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion are both inferior to the Hobbit for not speaking to it's children's story roots.
Lord of the Rings is still a story of good and evil. If they had tried to muddy both sides up, against the grain of many previous stories, to the degree Kotor 2 did it would be different.

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Rayla_Felana
11.11.2012 , 04:28 AM | #124
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Lord of the Rings is still a story of good and evil. If they had tried to muddy both sides up, against the grain of many previous stories, to the degree Kotor 2 did it would be different.
My point isn't about good vs evil, my point is that Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion must be inferior to the Hobbit, for not sticking to it's children's story roots, which is what Middle Earth originally was, about a Hobbit and some dwarves that did silly things with a funny creature called Gollum who hid in a cave, until Tolkien decided to write the Lord of the Rings when asked for a short story.

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Beniboybling
11.11.2012 , 05:23 AM | #125
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It is most certainly time for an Imperial come back - For the Empire!
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Maaruin
11.11.2012 , 08:32 AM | #126
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Ah. Point taken.

So would I be right to say that the Sith are losing MOSTLY because of internal chaos?
I don't think so. In addition to some pretty important victories of the Jedi and Republic Special Forces, the Empire gravely underestimated how willing the citizens of Corellia (and also Balmorra) are to fight for their freedom. On both sides you notice how much trouble resistance groups are giving the Empire.

Only the imperial raid on Ilum was ruined by imperial infighting, but the Ilum raid itself started because the Empire was loosing the war. (The idea was to create a stealth fleet for hit-and-run attacks, because conquest didn't work.)

Even though it wasn't at the end of the game, I loved how...
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It is most certainly time for an Imperial come back - For the Empire!
Actually, I think it's time for the Republic to invade an Imperial world. We had the "Empire conquers a Republic planet, Republic conquers it back" already. Two (or even three) times. I would like to see the Republic almost conquer Ziost, but then the Empire strikes back.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
No they aren't. So they Mandalorians would just bombard the world into submission. And this scenario is if the Jedi had completely abstained from the war.

I don't think the Mandalorians would turn on each other. Mandalore the Ultimate was one of the greatest Mandalorian leaders. He united the clans for a single purpose. They were united in the fact that they wanted a glorious victory. They wouldn't jeapordize that.

We also have to remember that Republic morale, numbers and supplies have run low. By the time the Mandalorians hit the Core Worlds, they have taken control of vital trade routes, gained multiple victories against Republic forces, and just the fact that they were in the Core would give a sense of hopelessness to the people.
Well, at one point the conscripted soldiers and slaves would have outnumbered the true Mandalorians... which wouldn't turn out well for them.

But if they did manage to completely destroy one of the important Republic worlds (which I doubt, the didn't destroy Taris either and occupied it instead), Republic citizens would have joined the military en masse. If you fight for your home it is different than fighting for some Midrim colonies. (Especially in this case, because the people would be right to fear the Mandalorians.)

Of course this is a what-if scenario and we won't know for sure.

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That's actually a good point. I'm sure the Emperor was keeping tabs on the Mandalorians and would started to move in if his minions were doing well. Then we would see the Jedi go to war. This is what they were waiting for, but I don't think the Jedi would have much of a chance once the Sith Empire steps in.
I actually think they would have had. After all, Republic and Jedi managed to hold their own against Empire+Mandalorians in the Great Galactic War... again because civilians were willing to fight for the Republic, this times the Smugglers. And if the Empire managed to conquer the Galaxy, we would simply have the Rebel Alliance some thousand years earlier.
(If the Emperor doesn't manage to eat the Galaxy somewhere along the way.)
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Aurbere
11.11.2012 , 11:25 AM | #127
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It is most certainly time for an Imperial come back - For the Empire!
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Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
11.11.2012 , 11:28 AM | #128
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Haven't finished Coreilla yet, I was assuming that I would keep him alive being darkside, but if he lays a finger on Mako... well he's dead.

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Aurbere
11.11.2012 , 11:32 AM | #129
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Haven't finished Coreilla yet, I was assuming that I would keep him alive being darkside, but if he lays a finger on Mako... well he's dead.
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I just finished Corellia on my BH, but you get a Dark Side option after the fight.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
11.11.2012 , 11:34 AM | #130
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Oh lol, I remember that. Though I did more than talk trash to him, I killed his 'escort' and blasted my way to his chambers, lets just say he wasn't best pleased.

But hey, that's how my BH rolls