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sankalp
11.08.2012 , 12:18 AM | #31
looks like that guys was a tool and new to raid leading.

if people seem to know what they are doing, then I dont care if they are in greens as they will perform much better with the mechanics of the fight. if you have insane dps and 30k hp but cannot stand in the circle or do the deletion phase on operator or cannot stand on the correct platform and kill anomalies peroperly on tfb 2nd phase, you are useless.

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StarWarsWoox
11.08.2012 , 12:42 AM | #32
I'm a new 50, and I havn't had any issues to date with getting dropped from a team because of my gear, and I will honestly say I am undergeared
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sumuser
11.08.2012 , 03:28 AM | #33
To the OP:

I think most people here are on your side. Try not to let gear snobs like that get to you
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Ephesia
11.08.2012 , 05:49 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ms_Sunlight View Post
The default black hole gear isn't well optimised for some classes as you obviously know, but if you're in Rakata the increase in armouring and hence survivability means trading up for BH is still a good option, even if you stack more endurance and less of your main stat. I consider it an acceptable transitional phase while you're building up credits and comms for optimised armouring / mods, or running ops to get campaign gear, and it should be more than good enough for TFB SM.

My scoundrel healer has 23K health in augmented Black Hole gear. I've left the Rakata implants in because they're better optimised and have no armouring bonus. Whatever augs you go for on a scoundrel, you stack yet more endurance, hence more HP, but it's a necessary evil.

Now, what makes me really laugh is tanks with 30K HP upwards. You don't stack that much endurance with regular gear, you have to deliberately optimise for it. The only way to do that is to neglect other things. Invariably when I see one - and they're rare - their defense, shield and absorb are absolute pants. Any tank with over 27K HP in the current gear available makes me very, very suspicious that we have an idiot in our midst.
Your 3rd paragraph is just wrong and not up to date with current BiS formulas for tank classes. Even Guardian tanks when fully geared and optimized to BiS can get 31.5K HP with 35% Def, 51% shield and 40% absorb.
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RanisTheSlayer
11.08.2012 , 06:39 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Ephesia View Post
Your 3rd paragraph is just wrong and not up to date with current BiS formulas for tank classes. Even Guardian tanks when fully geared and optimized to BiS can get 31.5K HP with 35% Def, 51% shield and 40% absorb.
THAT I have a hard time believing. Pics or it didn't happen.
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Ms_Sunlight
11.08.2012 , 07:45 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ephesia View Post
Your 3rd paragraph is just wrong and not up to date with current BiS formulas for tank classes. Even Guardian tanks when fully geared and optimized to BiS can get 31.5K HP with 35% Def, 51% shield and 40% absorb.
No fair enough, that was a bit of a lowball figure and with Dread Guard you can probably get to 29K or so without any serious compromise to other stats, but every single tank I've been grouped with or seen on fleet with 30K+ has only done so by letting one of their other stats down badly. (I have a compulsion for looking at other people's gear.)
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Ephesia
11.08.2012 , 08:14 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by RanisTheSlayer View Post
THAT I have a hard time believing. Pics or it didn't happen.
you can speak to some of the tanks in my server. I myself with my incomplete gear have 29.3k hp with 30% def 43% absorb and 50% shield
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Ephesia
11.08.2012 , 08:15 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Ms_Sunlight View Post
No fair enough, that was a bit of a lowball figure and with Dread Guard you can probably get to 29K or so without any serious compromise to other stats, but every single tank I've been grouped with or seen on fleet with 30K+ has only done so by letting one of their other stats down badly. (I have a compulsion for looking at other people's gear.)
I have given you HP number as well as the mitigation. If you are misinformed about the latest BiS formula that's your problem. But a guardian tank once full 63 with optimized BiS gear will have the stats I mentioned.
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NoFishing
11.08.2012 , 12:41 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Huobes View Post
Right, this is my point. Unfortunately, this seems to be a widespread perception. My post is both lamenting that fact and hoping to inform people to the contrary. In fact, just in this thread, someone equated TFB SM with EC HM. It's confusing, but the real hierarchy is NiM EV = NiM KP = EC SM = TFB SM < EC HM < TFB HM. Wish more people would understand that.
I agree with your original point that leaders are imposing gear requirements that are really not needed. As a rule, I'd do the first boss with anyone in at least full Columi gear on average. Only if we start failing do we need to start looking at replacing people, which is when the DPS meters and gear inspections start.

But your ordering for EC SM is wrong...it is far easier with the recent nerfs than NiM KP. Fearful does nothing important, the shields are immune to damage and AoEs, the minefield kit can be used to clear two squares, cleave isn't an AoE, etc.

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Huobes
11.08.2012 , 12:59 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by NoFishing View Post
But your ordering for EC SM is wrong...it is far easier with the recent nerfs than NiM KP. Fearful does nothing important, the shields are immune to damage and AoEs, the minefield kit can be used to clear two squares, cleave isn't an AoE, etc.
Fair enough. Never really had trouble with KP on any mode with any toon, although I guess Jarg and Sorno can be tough on healers. The nerfs to EC SM do bring it a step below, though. I was also partly going by gear drops, which is a good indication of which Op you should be doing when -- and they all drop the same level gear.