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Should cartel armor sets be Bound to Legacy: You decide.

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Should cartel armor sets be Bound to Legacy: You decide.

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Tim-ONeil
11.08.2012 , 09:38 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
NO, cash shop items are intended to bring in extra cash! Making them legacy bound items for subscription players will severely reduce the potential income those items may bring to the game.
Exactly. If you want to keep playing the game long term you need to realize this. If the revenue isn't what they need to keep running the game with this standard everyone loses.
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Sotof
11.08.2012 , 10:31 AM | #122
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NO, cash shop items are intended to bring in extra cash! Making them legacy bound items for subscription players will severely reduce the potential income those items may bring to the game.
I disagree. I think the fact the items are not BoL makes them sell less than if they were. Why would I say that? Because like in TSW people just do not buy shop items if they do not bind to all your characters. It is a waste of money and people know it. Making them BoL would give people reason to buy them and increase sales - not reduce them.

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Cashcrop
11.08.2012 , 11:35 AM | #123
I don't think adaptive armor should be bind on legacy. Once you purchase 4 sets (one for each main stat) you can gear out any character or companion for the cost of mailing items. It would take a while to achieve, but once you're done, you're done.

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11.08.2012 , 01:17 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Sotof View Post
I disagree. I think the fact the items are not BoL makes them sell less than if they were. Why would I say that? Because like in TSW people just do not buy shop items if they do not bind to all your characters. It is a waste of money and people know it. Making them BoL would give people reason to buy them and increase sales - not reduce them.
Non logical post that is self serving is obvious. You have zero idea what is bought and what isn't so it's a strawman argument.

People buy things because they are desirable. People also want these to be BOL because they have already decided that they want the same look on at least 2 characters. That will drive them to purchase it twice.

There is already BOL gear in the game and obtainable today that will allow you to trade mods around so that isn't the problem. That is a red herring argument.

Bottom line is that people want to make sure they don't make repeat purchases on items they want to have on multiple characters which is completely in opposition to the goal and model of the cartel shop.
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11.08.2012 , 01:18 PM | #125
They should be bound on legacy, it would be nice if they would, but if they're not BW can squeeze us for more money.
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11.08.2012 , 01:30 PM | #126
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Bottom line is that people want to make sure they don't make repeat purchases on items they want to have on multiple characters which is completely in opposition to the goal and model of the cartel shop.
Not at all. In most cases people won't be using the same armor for multiple characters due to the hassle of swapping mods and/or mailing the gear back and forth. Where they will use it for multiple characters is when they see a new set of armor they want to buy for the character who the first armor was bought for originally. Knowing that the $12 they spent is going to sit in their cargo hold even if they have another character on that server it would suit is something that can lead a person to decide they don't really need that new suit on the market. To me, it is adding value which encourages further purchases.

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11.08.2012 , 01:39 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Cashcrop View Post
I don't think adaptive armor should be bind on legacy. Once you purchase 4 sets (one for each main stat) you can gear out any character or companion for the cost of mailing items. It would take a while to achieve, but once you're done, you're done.
Absolutely, no reason to equip a tank with tank gear, a dps with a dps gear and a healer with healer gear...

Oh, and what about new stuff which updates should bring, be it mods or skins? Unless you're an absolute nolife gamer, you won't be able to be up to date.

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11.08.2012 , 01:54 PM | #128
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Not at all. In most cases people won't be using the same armor for multiple characters due to the hassle of swapping mods and/or mailing the gear back and forth. Where they will use it for multiple characters is when they see a new set of armor they want to buy for the character who the first armor was bought for originally. Knowing that the $12 they spent is going to sit in their cargo hold even if they have another character on that server it would suit is something that can lead a person to decide they don't really need that new suit on the market. To me, it is adding value which encourages further purchases.
This same thing is true of anything that's bound to a single character. It's not a very good argument because desire for the the new will trump practicality for most people. These are impulse buys after all.

I still have every moddable outfit I've ever obtained in game in my bank for each of my characters. I can't trade them but I keep them because everything color matches differently and sometimes having 3 different version of the same model you'll find the one that color matches the best.

It's flimsy argument trying to say it encourages repeat purchases rather than discourages them... because the point of them not being BOL is to generate that additional revenue.

Don't worry though smarter people than us already came to the same conclusion I did and that's why they aren't BOL.
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greg_biochem
11.08.2012 , 02:04 PM | #129
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I don't think adaptive armor should be bind on legacy. Once you purchase 4 sets (one for each main stat) you can gear out any character or companion for the cost of mailing items. It would take a while to achieve, but once you're done, you're done.
Exactly. I could have just one set of armor for my gunslinger and my sniper, and essentially have two lockouts per week to upgrade that one set. No, I couldn't transfer weapons back-and-forth since one uses a rifle and the other uses two blasters, but I would still get two shots per week to get Head, Chest, Gloves, Legs, and Feet slots instead of only one. As soon as those slots were BiS for my gunslinger, my sniper would also have a BiS set. With the exception of the Sand People Armor from the most recent event, all other Legacy bound gear can only be worn by one class.

I'm sure there might be some people that abuse the Sand People armor already, but as soon as better looking armor can fulfill the same role, nearly everyone with mirror classes will do it as well. Sure it might be cool and convenient, but it would also ruin the game - and I'm sure this is the reason they haven't made the new adaptive sets BoL.
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ripster
11.08.2012 , 02:16 PM | #130
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Don't worry though smarter people than us already came to the same conclusion I did and that's why they aren't BOL.
You didn't come to any conclusion. You started at the conclusion and justified it with a faulty assertion: that EA/BW is smart. Now I'm not saying that the people doing the work don't know what they are doing, I am sure they are smart and smart people change their minds all the time. Just because they came to an initial conclusion, or at least presented this based on some conclusion, does not mean that it is the only or the best conclusion. I'm not saying I am right either, but for the sake of discussion I just pointed out how BoC could discourage people from making further purchases, especially purchases that are the cost of one months game time.