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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Doomsdaycomes
11.06.2012 , 05:37 PM | #431
Quote: Originally Posted by Theodulus View Post
I asked you a question. I repeat isn't it better to just remove the queue solo button? You don't want pugs to only face pugs since that would cause long queue times for premades. You also don't want any measures taken to level 50 PvP until x-server queues and you certainly don't want to wait longer for warzone pops because you are premading (or did you change your mind recently?). I think we all know x-server queues are never going to happen after they stealth removed that particular part in the queue window. We also know that premaders don't want to wait up to 15 minutes for a 4-man premade to be freed up from an ongoing warzone so they can be queued against each other. So what you suggest is wishful thinking that never is going to happen. That train left with the other 2 mil subs that left the game.

Removing the queue solo button would force solo queuers to premade and make the premaders happy. I know you love to ignore difficult questions and spout some other nonsense. Can you just answer with a simple yes or no and then a short motivation if the solo queue button should be removed now that we know what you suggest is never going to happen. I don't need an essay or book recommendations. I probably have read them all if they are somewhat known and involve politics and sci-fi.
Now, you're just being stubborn because you can't win an argument. (I'm sensing a losing trend here.)

Cross server queue'ing is just as likely as a PuG only queue system. Even without Cross server, it -might- be possible for a better matchmaking system that is Inclusive but will still, on occassion be forced to pit 8 pugs against a premade and 4 pugs to keep queue times down.

I have never advocated for the removal of a solo only option, I have simply encouraged those whom choose to -exclusively- take that option to stop, and get involved in a guild/team. If someone refuses to break away from their solitary queue ways, by all means allow them to keep queue'ing. They of course, should expect their chances of -winning- to be much lower than someone who isn't being a full-time loner.

<.< So... you done throwing a tantrum?

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Jarfunkz
11.06.2012 , 05:42 PM | #432
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
Now, you're just being stubborn because you can't win an argument. (I'm sensing a losing trend here.)

Cross server queue'ing is just as likely as a PuG only queue system. Even withotu Cross server, it -might- be possible for a better matchmaking system that is Inclusive but will still, on occassion be forced to pit 8 pugs against a premade and 4 pugs to keep queue times down.

I have never advocated for the removal of a solo only option, I have simply encouraged those whom choose to -exclusively- take that option to stop, and get involved in a guild/team. If someone refuses to break away from their solitary queue ways, by all means allow them to keep queue'ing. They of course, should expect their chances of -winning- to be much lower than someone who isn't being a full-time loner.

<.< So... you done throwing a tantrum?
Prophecy of the five has much better groups than any of the other servers, even though the latest server merge made them weaker (fatman players are REALLY BAD). Cross server q's will not save this game. People on other servers are going to get a significant dose of reality.
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Doomsdaycomes
11.06.2012 , 05:46 PM | #433
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarfunkz View Post
Prophecy of the five has much better groups than any of the other servers, even though the latest server merge made them weaker (fatman players are REALLY BAD). Cross server q's will not save this game. People on other servers are going to get a significant dose of reality.
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
First, lemme state -my- position again before making any comment, in the hopes we can avoid the usual false assumptions and petty insults.

50's pvp needs two things:

1. Cross server queueing for a great population/pool.
2. Better matchmaking that tries to match players according to group size. The typical match should be a 3-4 man premade, and then 4-5 pugs.

Yes I play in a group. I also have a 40hrs a week job, 3 hours commute, and several prior engagements/commitments, including a decent amount of time spent with my SO in Tera.
^_^ yes, for PuG's to be happy, we need more than X-server.

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DarthRaika
11.06.2012 , 05:59 PM | #434
Doomsday what I'm saying though even without cross server implemented won't slow q's down much at all. If you make it so that teams can be mixed faction (when needed) and you make a good premade matching system (not a 100% premade vs premade but a wait a few mins for other premades instead of no attempt to match at all) then pvp will be much improved and without a large increase to q times.

This isn't hard to implement. Cross server is apparently difficult for them but this should be relatively easy. There are many times where multiple premades are q'n regular, however because there will almost always be more pug qr's than premade q'rs and the ppl q at slightly different times then these premades often don't face eachother with the current system. If they were to wait a couple mins then they could.

Also this would put an end to sync q'n since they would just end up against eachother in many situations. I was going to do rated yesterday on one of my chars and then we couldn't get a pop so we just sync q'd. It worked once and didn't once. It should be very hard to get this to work lol.

And sure later a ranking type system could be put in place but I'd rather a simple fast fix be done first.

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Doomsdaycomes
11.06.2012 , 06:14 PM | #435
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRaika View Post
Doomsday what I'm saying though even without cross server implemented won't slow q's down much at all. If you make it so that teams can be mixed faction (when needed) and you make a good premade matching system (not a 100% premade vs premade but a wait a few mins for other premades instead of no attempt to match at all) then pvp will be much improved and without a large increase to q times.

This isn't hard to implement. Cross server is apparently difficult for them but this should be relatively easy. There are many times where multiple premades are q'n regular, however because there will almost always be more pug qr's than premade q'rs and the ppl q at slightly different times then these premades often don't face eachother with the current system. If they were to wait a couple mins then they could.

Also this would put an end to sync q'n since they would just end up against eachother in many situations. I was going to do rated yesterday on one of my chars and then we couldn't get a pop so we just sync q'd. It worked once and didn't once. It should be very hard to get this to work lol.

And sure later a ranking type system could be put in place but I'd rather a simple fast fix be done first.
Yes, I think you and I agreed on almost all points <.<

Edit: (Except cross faction groups, but that is a small part in a broader idea.)

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criminalheretic
11.06.2012 , 06:23 PM | #436
Quote: Originally Posted by UncelSam View Post
What is it to you if we soloers get a queue for our own?

I dont understand your anxiety, except u worrie about that your easy kills will go elsewhere and you have to start working for your wins?
No what most people are worried about, is anything that might drive up queue times.
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SammuelSK
11.06.2012 , 06:34 PM | #437
Quote: Originally Posted by criminalheretic View Post
No what most people are worried about, is anything that might drive up queue times.
Christ.. its been proven it does exactly the opposite. This is not the first game which has had the premade vs pug problem, this is not the first game that lost large chunks of the population because of it. Do some research, play some other games, see what the results are. The damn digging in your heels, sky is going to fall mentality has got to end.

Again for the slow amongst you, in all games that have implemented it it improved queue times, not worsened them. And no, cross server queues are not going to happen. What this game needs a immediate fix, something to keep the existing players interested and the F2P players hooked.

And Doom, go read my *********** posts.. you've got enough time to write page long posts but not enough to read the replies. I'm done repeating myself to you.
Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller
We have very measurable statistics that tell us if people lose a certain number of Warzones in a row being stun locked by a team of Operatives, then that might be part of that, and they will be not as likely to re-subscribe.

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Doomsdaycomes
11.06.2012 , 06:48 PM | #438
Quote: Originally Posted by SammuelSK View Post
Christ.. its been proven it does exactly the opposite. This is not the first game which has had the premade vs pug problem, this is not the first game that lost large chunks of the population because of it. Do some research, play some other games, see what the results are. The damn digging in your heels, sky is going to fall mentality has got to end.

Again for the slow amongst you, in all games that have implemented it it improved queue times, not worsened them. And no, cross server queues are not going to happen. What this game needs a immediate fix, something to keep the existing players interested and the F2P players hooked.

And Doom, go read my *********** posts.. you've got enough time to write page long posts but not enough to read the replies. I'm done repeating myself to you.
Fact:

You have not answered why it's hard to make 1-3 friends and play with them.

Fact:

You have accused me of deflection, but I have answered your question directly.

Fact:

You can not win your Q.Q argument, and have given up.

Fact:

Doom doesn't really care any way. =P Doom is too busy playing Borderlands 2 with S.O.

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Doomsdaycomes
11.06.2012 , 07:16 PM | #439
Quote: Originally Posted by SammuelSK View Post
Christ.. its been proven it does exactly the opposite. This is not the first game which has had the premade vs pug problem, this is not the first game that lost large chunks of the population because of it. Do some research, play some other games, see what the results are. The damn digging in your heels, sky is going to fall mentality has got to end.
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Lol...

Okay, okay... whew, I think I'm done.... ahahahahahahahaa...

>.< Okay, so while taking a break from BL2, I got a little curious and went to check out some stuff on GW2 and this supposed Solo/Group split queue master piece I keep hearing about.

>.< You neglected to mention the only "Premade" pvp they had were Tournaments (which you must have a full 5 man team), not the regular matchmaking. So no, GW2 hasn't split -normal- pvp into PuG only and Premade queues.

Secondly, if I'm reading this correctly standard, average pvp is something called a HoT-join, which can't be joined as a group (so again, not a split queue there, simply not allowed.) Funny enough, people have found a way (video dated Aug 30st, 2012) to join into these hot-joins with their budddies, by entering the same Match with enough spaces at the same time (or hitting join friend in pvp) and ending up on the same team 90%. So much for that theory.

Hahhaaha... hahahaa... ha...

So not only is GW2's "queue" system completely different from SWTor's, they official have no -normal- group pvp, and their PuG only option fails >.< ... Nice.



Edit2: <.< oh ya, and from what I can see, GW2's pvp (Hot-joins) is -all- cross-server.

Edit: Also, Google searches for "PuG only PvP options" and similiar searches have turned up nothing. Name one.

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SajPl
11.06.2012 , 08:30 PM | #440
Quote: Originally Posted by Muramxx View Post
Not quite sure where I put that we played them together as I have a job that tends to occupy the day and her a job that tends to occupy the night but when you find where I said that we played pvp as a group please show me because for the life of me... I cannot find it /shrug.
So neither you nor your wife cant make friends in the game. Funny that.
So ok theres a person who actually does have a wife and plays with her, do you want to break up that great cupple because of your own false assumptions / they are casuals, they que together, talk about day to day stuff while enjoing the game and you want to take that away? So mean ...