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this "original story" might not even mess with the current EU

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this "original story" might not even mess with the current EU

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Timarick
11.06.2012 , 01:28 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
They could, but I'm almost certain they won't. My guess the entire EU and every character in it is about to become non-canon.
I, and Tim Zahn, disagree. Odds are it will incorporate elements of the EU while trailblazing its own story, considering Lucasfilm is STILL driving the ship.

On that note, George's notes indicate that the story will set Luke in his 40s. In the EU that was the NJO. The New Jedi Order series is not liked AT ALL by every fan, including the EU fans. To cut it out of the equation would not screw very much up with the continuity, if anything, considering it's barely mentioned in everything that came after it, if at all. Sure it gave us Ben Skywalker and killed off Anakin Solo and Chewbacca, but what's not to say they won't kill Chewie in 7? To replace NJO with this story would appease many fans of the EU because, and I think everyone would agree, you don't miss much reading them. Plus it would still keep the majority of the EU, Legacy of the Force, and Fate of the Jedi included, in tact, and we will most likely get to see Mara, Jacen, Jaina, Kyle Katarn, and maybe even a young Ben Skywalker out of the trade off.

Whose with me on this?

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Captain_Zone
11.06.2012 , 12:44 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Praiden View Post
so G-canon shot at C-canon and accidently killed N-canon is the proccess which just left SUPER-canon. i think i got it now.

on a more serious note i have no idea what this canon crap mean and it confusing. also i hope they jump into jedi academy like the video games have some people come in but only as side actors and not main ones.
Well, the Canon system was put into place to help keep everything in the Star Wars Universe coherent. It's there to keep everything from becoming as cluster****ed as the Highlander Universe or even the Star Trek Universe. The different levels of Canon are to distinguish between G or George Canon, which is Word of God in the Canon system, T or Television Canon, which refers mostly to the TCW series and is second only to G-Canon, since it's under direct control of George Lucas's family. C or Coninuity Canon is just that. As long as the stories don't directly contradict G or T, then they are accepted as Canon. S or Secondary Canon is used in case of Retcons, or Retroactive Continuity occurences. In the case of The Thrawn Trilogy, some elements of the story were retconned by Episode II. Those elements, which were formerly C-Canon, were relegated to S-Canon as rumors or misinterpretations by the characters relating the events or describing something that turned out to be wrong. N-Canon is what retcons go to if something does not fit AT ALL, and is used as a last resort by Leland Chee when updating the Holocron. The Holocron is the database that Leland uses to keep all story information consistent.

S-Canon is usually completely overlooked by the more hardline Canon... enthusiasts. Yes, I was being nice there. Those people usually only see a retcon as "Oh, it doesn't fit at all, so it's N-Canon now!" Also, since a definition of G-Canon is "Anything that George Lucas says", it's even harder to separate a humorous comment or a point of view from when he's actually being serious. That job falls to Leland Chee as well, not the fans.

All that said, it remains to be seen how much or how little the Canon system will change now that Disney has bought LucasArts.
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Captain_Zone
11.06.2012 , 12:46 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Timarick View Post
I, and Tim Zahn, disagree. Odds are it will incorporate elements of the EU while trailblazing its own story, considering Lucasfilm is STILL driving the ship.

On that note, George's notes indicate that the story will set Luke in his 40s. In the EU that was the NJO. The New Jedi Order series is not liked AT ALL by every fan, including the EU fans. To cut it out of the equation would not screw very much up with the continuity, if anything, considering it's barely mentioned in everything that came after it, if at all. Sure it gave us Ben Skywalker and killed off Anakin Solo and Chewbacca, but what's not to say they won't kill Chewie in 7? To replace NJO with this story would appease many fans of the EU because, and I think everyone would agree, you don't miss much reading them. Plus it would still keep the majority of the EU, Legacy of the Force, and Fate of the Jedi included, in tact, and we will most likely get to see Mara, Jacen, Jaina, Kyle Katarn, and maybe even a young Ben Skywalker out of the trade off.

Whose with me on this?
I REALLY hope you're right on that! NJO was when the Dragon Ball Z style crap really got ridiculous!
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Beniboybling
11.06.2012 , 12:51 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by jarjarloves View Post
of course you think that would make the most sense because you don't want all your books that you own to become nothing more then Fan fiction.

However in reality it makes the least sense for what they are doing. The most sense as they build a trans media empire is to keep 1 story line or 1 canon set across multiple mediums. So if you want the whole story you have to buy it all.

Having 3 different universes is really just silly. It gets into the whole mess they have now.

I mean look at comics. If I ask a question like What is the Joker's origin story how would you answer that?
Got to agree with you here. Star Wars should be proud of its single, linear universe where one event leads to another (and their is only one event). And we can have comprehensive wiki's like Wookieepedia etc. Having mutliple universes will reduces to the likes of Marvel and DC (not that their bad or anything but Star Wars should be a cut above the comic book world). Thats one of the things I love about Star Wars, characters like Anakin have nice linear biography from birth to death with no quirks along the way. If EU has to suffer to maitain this dream, so be it. (lets face it, who likes the Yuzavohza whatever they are anyway)

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Captain_Zone
11.06.2012 , 01:08 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Got to agree with you here. Star Wars should be proud of its single, linear universe where one event leads to another (and their is only one event). And we can have comprehensive wiki's like Wookieepedia etc. Having mutliple universes will reduces to the likes of Marvel and DC (not that their bad or anything but Star Wars should be a cut above the comic book world). Thats one of the things I love about Star Wars, characters like Anakin have nice linear biography from birth to death with no quirks along the way. If EU has to suffer to maitain this dream, so be it. (lets face it, who likes the Yuzavohza whatever they are anyway)
Well, depending on what happens, we'll see. George might not care too much about pissing off the fans, but Disney will. Now when something happens that fans find to be wrong, it's Disney that will take the flak for it. Are they really prepared for that kind of barrage? While I agree that the later ExU is garbage, most of the early stuff is awesome. Honestly, if it keeps the early Expanded Universe intact, but retcons anything done by Karen Traviss down to fan fiction, I'd be down with that.
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Beniboybling
11.06.2012 , 01:49 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Well, depending on what happens, we'll see. George might not care too much about pissing off the fans, but Disney will. Now when something happens that fans find to be wrong, it's Disney that will take the flak for it. Are they really prepared for that kind of barrage? While I agree that the later ExU is garbage, most of the early stuff is awesome. Honestly, if it keeps the early Expanded Universe intact, but retcons anything done by Karen Traviss down to fan fiction, I'd be down with that.
Too be far, I don't think Disney will care. I mean how much of the star wars fanbase (and movie-goers in general) does those who love/like the post-ROTJ extended universe anyway. Probably less than 1% - OR I can understand, but post-ROTJ? Frankly speaking most people simply don't care and this is the last thing they will complain about. Disney's respect for the ExU is likely minimal, and neither is Lucas's - so there's nothing stopping them.

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Captain_Zone
11.06.2012 , 03:07 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Too be far, I don't think Disney will care. I mean how much of the star wars fanbase (and movie-goers in general) does those who love/like the post-ROTJ extended universe anyway. Probably less than 1% - OR I can understand, but post-ROTJ? Frankly speaking most people simply don't care and this is the last thing they will complain about. Disney's respect for the ExU is likely minimal, and neither is Lucas's - so there's nothing stopping them.
Disney's already paid the price several times for pissing off fans. If they handle this wrong, it's not going to be pretty. Granted, most of those times were when Eisner was in charge....
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Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Beniboybling
11.06.2012 , 04:10 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Disney's already paid the price several times for pissing off fans. If they handle this wrong, it's not going to be pretty. Granted, most of those times were when Eisner was in charge....
But as I said, there are no fans to do so.
EDIT: In a simplified and more blatant way: no one cares

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jarjarloves
11.06.2012 , 05:20 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
But as I said, there are no fans to do so.
EDIT: In a simplified and more blatant way: no one cares
hey now the EU fanboys who like the EU more then the movies care... but yeah seeing as they are less then 1% of the total star wars fanbase it doesn't matter.

Of course even then they will just complain on forums and then still see the movies and buy all the books anyway. Just like they did with the prequels.

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maxetius
11.06.2012 , 05:44 PM | #100
Phantom Menace made huge amounts of money and was a big success.

What i'm saying is Disney can pretty much do whatever they want and people will flock to the theaters.