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How to kill a Hybrid bubblestun Sage/Sorc?

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How to kill a Hybrid bubblestun Sage/Sorc?

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Rerkk
10.31.2012 , 12:28 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by nellosmomishot View Post
Here is a list of moves that can be used to counter the bubble stun.

Jedi Knight:
Saber throw -> Blade storm (or vice versa) = popped bubble
Dispatch works well too if they are under 30%

Jedi Consular:
Telekinetic throw -> Project (or vice versa) = popped bubble (possibly without even the project)
hell, if you're dot spec just laugh as the bubble pops before you do anything

Imperial Agent:
Explosive Probe -> Rifle shot = popped bubble

Trooper:
I'm a little hazy here since I've never played one, but I'm sure that with both AC's having ranged attacks that it would be no problem.



And there you have it, even if you didn't select an advanced class you should be able to get through the bubble stun unharmed.

Potential counterargument: It's different in a WZ, there's way more people.
Response: That's true. However, if you can't figure out how to position yourself in a WZ to make this a nonissue, then you aren't as good at PvP as you think you are, and this really is a L2P issue (learn to position).
i like to leap in, force push then saber throw then leap on the poor unbubbled sorc, and hasnt failed me yet.

On my shadow i hit force potency and TK throw the bubble from 20+ away then pull them to me or force speed to them if im not on my tank hybrid. Again, hasnt failed me.

The stun bubble hybird is simply another thing in PvP to give sorcs a better chance to not get ganged up on and melted, i dont think its an expliot or needs to be nerfed, its simply someone getting smart in PvP.
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Tamilveeran
10.31.2012 , 12:34 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by SgtBranham View Post
If there is any adjustment to be made, it should be players who are bubbled should not be able to "click off" the bubble to have an on demand stun.
You guys have to agree at least to this one. No other class can use an ability while cc'd without using cc breaker, but a sage can click off his bubble and stun ppl, while being stunned? That's messed up!

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Jadescythe
10.31.2012 , 12:42 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by nellosmomishot View Post
You make it sound like their whole team is stacked up on top of one another... and that no one moves from this position. If this were the case, awesome I'll jump in and smash all the bubbles off in one go. Otherwise, I'll wait a few seconds (I know it's difficult to not mash your rotation 100% of the time, but actually think about what's going on) till my target has moved "enough" away from the group that I can be on the opposite side of my target and be completely away from the group, and in melee range of my target.

The people clicking off their bubbles are doing it wrong. This is the same as complaining about the guy that runs in and starts the fight with his hard stun. The only time it's appropriate to click off the bubble manually is if it's to cc for a cap. Otherwise, the extra ~3500 health is better.
I'm not even speaking specifically to manually popping the bubbles at this point. It is an ability that is completely out of control of the caster. They aren't using a move specifically to CC someone when they put the bubble on someone, it just pops whenever. This wasn't a problem before as the ability was a mezz and put a ridiculous amount of resolve on people. I remember the threads begging sorcs to avoid this ability like the plague because everyone was running around with full resolve all the time.

As to positioning, when is the last time you, as a melee class, stood still and whacked at each other. Everyone is always in motion because this isn't a boss fight and you want to get out of their target box while you beat on them. Thus, staying on the outside of the group fight is highly unlikely at all times especially when you consider everyone else is running around in the same fashion. As for people popping their own bubbles, they do it frequently to aid others. Need a peel for your healer? Just run up and pop your bubble so they can get away. Was 3500 health helpful at the time? No. Was a free stun when you didn't have one available? Yes. Were they "doing it wrong"? It may not be the intended function of this ability, but it was the best choice in this circumstance. You are only focusing on attacking one individual who already has the bubble on and aren't accounting for everyone else in the warzone and the fact that the bubble isn't on a very long lockout with the force mystic 2 piece bonus and is applied quite liberally throughout the fight.
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Tamilveeran
10.31.2012 , 12:43 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Rerkk View Post
Stun bubblers are majorly annoying as a melee dps player in PvP. but annoying doesn't mean "OP" . I can still take the sorc/sage down without breaking a sweat. after u get stunned from the 1st bubble just unload all your biggest hits and they go down with ease.
I was not talking about target dummies with a bubble, but good players who roll sage/sorc and have 40 kills 2 deaths in reg wzs.
Juggs have cc immunity (Unremitting/Unstoppable) for 4 secs after every force leap in vengeance tree.

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Jadescythe
10.31.2012 , 12:45 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Rerkk View Post
i like to leap in, force push then saber throw then leap on the poor unbubbled sorc, and hasnt failed me yet.

On my shadow i hit force potency and TK throw the bubble from 20+ away then pull them to me or force speed to them if im not on my tank hybrid. Again, hasnt failed me.

The stun bubble hybird is simply another thing in PvP to give sorcs a better chance to not get ganged up on and melted, i dont think its an expliot or needs to be nerfed, its simply someone getting smart in PvP.
Let me ask you this (as most people have already said that the ability on a sorc is fine), would you try and do the same thing to a bubbled marauder? How do you handle it when another Sin with a bubble is in your face and you know you're going to get cc'd as soon as you hit him? This is why it's a problem.
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10.31.2012 , 12:50 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Tamilveeran View Post
I was not talking about target dummies with a bubble, but good players who roll sage/sorc and have 40 kills 2 deaths in reg wzs.
Juggs have cc immunity (Unremitting/Unstoppable) for 4 secs after every force leap in vengeance tree.
Im full focus spec, i have no CC immunity and i wasnt talking dummies either. I was talking the skilled sorcs that use this hybrid spec, its a great PvP spec, gives them a ton of serviceability, but its not in anyway "OP'.
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10.31.2012 , 12:53 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
Let me ask you this (as most people have already said that the ability on a sorc is fine), would you try and do the same thing to a bubbled marauder? How do you handle it when another Sin with a bubble is in your face and you know you're going to get cc'd as soon as you hit him? This is why it's a problem.
If i was on my shadow id pop the CD that makes u immune to force/tech for 2 seconds (cant remember name) to cancel out the chance to get CCd while i pop there bubble and on My Guardian id stick with the same rotation, just let them leap to me 1st so they cant leap back after i push em. works great so far.
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nellosmomishot
10.31.2012 , 12:57 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Tamilveeran View Post
You guys have to agree at least to this one. No other class can use an ability while cc'd without using cc breaker, but a sage can click off his bubble and stun ppl, while being stunned? That's messed up!
I agree with this 100%, it should not be able to be toggled on and off. It should break upon a certain amount of damage being done, or when the time elapses. In either case competent players could avoid it.
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Jadescythe
10.31.2012 , 12:57 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Rerkk View Post
If i was on my shadow id pop the CD that makes u immune to force/tech for 2 seconds (cant remember name) to cancel out the chance to get CCd while i pop there bubble and on My Guardian id stick with the same rotation, just let them leap to me 1st so they cant leap back after i push em. works great so far.
I admit those are some good options. And if a fight could always go like that things might work, but there is a much better chance of force shroud (I think this is what you're referring to, but haven't played a sin at all yet) and push being on CD (longer CDs) than them not being bubbled.
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Mercbenz
10.31.2012 , 01:03 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
Designed like ****.

I played the spec before the change and had plenty of utility and survivability. This change was unnecessary.
Quoted for the truth. Fix this mess BW
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