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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Chaac
10.26.2012 , 02:03 PM | #2601
Oooh you're both on the Progenitor? What are your character names? I have both Rep and Imp toons. There used to be an LGBT guild on the Progenitor, Scions of Aurora on Rep and Scions of Penumbra on Imp, it was very active for a while ( we started off on Trask Ulgo and then moved to Progenitor in the first round of transfers) but between Secret World and Guild Wars 2 and the lack of any SGRA's most people left, so we eventually disbanded the guild a little over a week ago.
Wedge: "I don't like this notion of dovin basal mines that pursue you."
Han: "Me, either. I'm going to draft a strongly worded letter to the Yuuzhan Vong high commander and insist he stop using them."

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Tatile
10.26.2012 , 02:11 PM | #2602
My main is Rogan't and I've mostly only logged on for Ops with my guild, been levelling in Guild Wars 2, though I should really be working on this week's story prompts (in which Ro-ro-Rochester features heavily).

I recently rolled a Knight to experience the story, but I'm terrible at levelling Republic characters because the voice acting just seems so... bland. Monotonous. Boring. Forced.

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Eleuril
10.26.2012 , 02:18 PM | #2603
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
It's not really that I imagine I can change their opinion, but I really cannot fathom their reasoning. To me it's obvious why you'd have same-sex content in a game, I put it on par with having the option to play non-whites and women*, it's a matter of allowing choice. People say that it's some sort of "agenda", that it's all politics, but really it's more political to deliberately not allow player choice in a video game. There's a certain amount of airey-fairy-ness if people genuinely believe that the entertainment industry exists in a vacuum from the rest of the world - which is really how it seems some people are, when they call out for not having inclusion in their video games.

I'm reminded of something I saw on tumblr: This money has been handled by gay people, if that distresses you, please give the money away.

*I really have homophobia so tied up in my brain, I cannot separate it from racism and misogyny. I... really! honestly, I can't... they seem intrinsically linked somehow... you're discriminating against a person for an arbitrary reason... *shrugs*

P.S. I am the sexy male Agent in the Vendetta top and white boots :3
Never mind so many unpleasant things you can do in the game, SGRs are a special kind of evil! Oh noes! It will be as optional as picking a DS choice but I don't see anyone asking for those to be removed. You have a good point concerning understanding their reasoning. I'd love to know why some of these people think it's fine to have your character torture, steal and murder for a laugh but consider same-sex relationships in the game to be so awful.

P.S. I'll wave if I see you. I am The One of Many Alts.

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Uluain
10.26.2012 , 02:25 PM | #2604
Quote: Originally Posted by Eleuril View Post
This is why I tend not to engage people who are like that. It's very unlikely someone who says that sort of thing is going to see your point of view and enter into a meaningful discussion of the issue. They are convinced it's "wrong" and nothing you can say will change that.
I try to reply to those making arguments that can seem reasonable and then demonstrating the flaws in the arguments not so much to try to change their minds but to show how their position is unreasonable or predicated on false assumptions. Particularly when the stance they are claiming to hold is "I am not saying I am for or against it either way" while all of their arguments are against, and those arguments are flimsy.

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Chaac
10.26.2012 , 02:25 PM | #2605
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
My main is Rogan't and I've mostly only logged on for Ops with my guild, been levelling in Guild Wars 2, though I should really be working on this week's story prompts (in which Ro-ro-Rochester features heavily).

I recently rolled a Knight to experience the story, but I'm terrible at levelling Republic characters because the voice acting just seems so... bland. Monotonous. Boring. Forced.
I'll keep an eye out and send you a wave if I see ya My characters are Tygra, Elphie, Satoko, Ardenza and Tsuna on the imp side and Boq, Taden, Ardora and Wilykit on the Rep side.
Wedge: "I don't like this notion of dovin basal mines that pursue you."
Han: "Me, either. I'm going to draft a strongly worded letter to the Yuuzhan Vong high commander and insist he stop using them."

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Chaac
10.26.2012 , 02:27 PM | #2606
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
I try to reply to those making arguments that can seem reasonable and then demonstrating the flaws in the arguments not so much to try to change their minds but to show how their position is unreasonable or predicated on false assumptions. Particularly when the stance they are claiming to hold is "I am not saying I am for or against it either way" while all of their arguments are against, and those arguments are flimsy.
I usually try to just enquire as to why exactly they're opposed to the content....but I usually find it hard not to immediately dispute their reasoning since it's often ludicrous. Really need to work on my patience.
Wedge: "I don't like this notion of dovin basal mines that pursue you."
Han: "Me, either. I'm going to draft a strongly worded letter to the Yuuzhan Vong high commander and insist he stop using them."

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Eleuril
10.26.2012 , 02:29 PM | #2607
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaac View Post
I usually try to just enquire as to why exactly they're opposed to the content....but I usually find it hard not to immediately dispute their reasoning since it's often ludicrous. Really need to work on my patience.
I was born grumpy. Perhaps that is a better reason for me to stay out of debates. Currently running around as Eskran, Agent story was so good I made a second one.

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fabiyun
10.26.2012 , 02:36 PM | #2608
Sounds like it's time for a new LGBT Guild. I'm also on the EU servers and an Imp.

I've only recently started playing swtor. I had access to Early Access but was so angry over the clear choice to be exclusive of LGBT people that I simply refused to play. But the KOTOR games have been my favourite games and I recently played KOTOR2 again after I found the game in a box. Hence my curiosity got the better of me. I'm very displeased to see that my expectations of BW not implementing it (soonTM) have been true. And this forum and many users that have been posting since well before the game had been released I have not seen in this thread at all. That's a real shame.
That said, I like so much about this game. It looks awesome, it works the way I expect BW games to work, and I like the story quite a bit so far (Sith Sorcerer now, in the tombs at Dromund Kaas). As a big Star Wars fan who has most of the EU literature it's been great seeing the stuff I've been reading about come to 3D life. And that's not been a disappointment. But I'm also disappointed. The first day I was already bothered by members in general and group chat talking about tinnies (hear the clear misunderstanding of Clone Wars ROFL). Huge colliflowers these babes seem to have. I'd love to comment on package sizes, but that would no doubt start some flames. And then there are the flirt options, I'm happy I've not seen many, but it's a slap in the face if I see heteronormal flirts up, and know that I'm not likely to see (soonTM) anything I'd respond to. And that bothers me a lot. It makes me feel like turning the game of and starting the Xbox and continue playing games where I am not denyed being my own non heteronormal person.

I'll at least be playing another 70 or so days until my subscription ends, but I have to see about later. Thanks for the heads up about the smuggler and trooper class, if I'd started there I probably would have uninstalled the game by now.

I'd much appreciate it, BW, if you could be clear about the when, and how of the inclusion. That way I can use this time to prepare myself for when it does happen. And as you've been treating me as a second rate consumer whose preferences don't matter as much as those of the heteronormal (you've clearly made that distinction by not including LGBT characters) male players, I do think it'd be a start of correcting this grave error on your part.

Another poster saw this as a Demo mode, that's very similar to how I've been experiencing it. It doesn't feel done. Some features are missing. But I'm exploring it, and can't wait for it to be ready so I can enjoy it's full features as well.

And I'm sorry to hear ladies that you can't be an equal evil flirt amongst hetero men. That's awfully sexist.
"..the worst kind of DARTH one can dig up!"

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Captain_Zone
10.26.2012 , 02:54 PM | #2609
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
Revenge.

I see that the Makeb thread got culled. That's a shame, because while the post I lost did in fact quote a post that was quoting a CAPS LOCK troll, I think I made some sound points with it which would be useful in keeping things on track there. But that's how it goes.
/beginrant
I saw your thread on the Community Forum got locked down. What kind of game is EA playing? Seriously, EA needs to start talking, or let BioWare talk about it. One or the other. This is EA up to their old tricks again! SICK AND TIRED OF THEIR GARBAGE!
/endrant

Now I feel a bit better.
. OPOD
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Eleuril
10.26.2012 , 02:54 PM | #2610
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
Sounds like it's time for a new LGBT Guild. I'm also on the EU servers and an Imp.

I've only recently started playing swtor. I had access to Early Access but was so angry over the clear choice to be exclusive of LGBT people that I simply refused to play. But the KOTOR games have been my favourite games and I recently played KOTOR2 again after I found the game in a box.
Good to have you here, Fabiyun, welcome.

I'm sure it's possible to mod KOTOR and KOTOR 2 to allow SGRs. I've been playing those two games a lot recently and I have been thinking...