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ops groups shouldn't be allowed to que for regular wz's.

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ops groups shouldn't be allowed to que for regular wz's.

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Chlomamf
10.25.2012 , 08:10 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Sindistical View Post
PVP in this game is hilariously, ridiculously , aggrivatingly imbalanced. I am sick to death of trying to do my pvp daily and weekly and constantly being matched up with the premades. I personally am sick of seeing Conquerors and warlords in full war hero and elitist war hero gear being matched up against batlemasters and recruits. Seriously they need to not allow the premades in there with the players trying to get enough comms for their gear. The warzones are in dire need of some bracketing based on the expertise stat. Real simple if you're experise stat is 1500 or above you have to qued for ranked war zones. Let's face it some players are just so ego driven they lack any real skill and can't win unless they just out gear their opponents pitifully.
1. No ops groups allowed to que for regular war zones. make them que for ranked war zones.
2. Establish 3 brackets of war zones: pre 50, battlemaster: expertise 0-1500, war hero: expertise 1500 and above.
3. Warlords and conquerors can only que for ranked war zones.
Not only will this balance out alot of the war zones but it will also give some players a desperately needed ego check.
Some will say this will cause que times to take longer. But honestly if it gives each side a fair chance at winning then I'll take the longer que time.
Nah, just implement a tool that makes Premades vs other Premades, fixes the entire problem. And before I get flamed with Premaders saying ''Lolololol noob that would make Premaders have to wait longer times for WZs'' yes, it would. If Premaders wanna Premade then they gonna have to wait the time for a WZ. Much more fairer for us PUGers, not so much for Premaders as they'll get stomped by other Premades much, much more often, but tough luck, that's the price ye gotta pay.

Ofcourse it's highly unlikely this idea will be implemented, but from a PUGers perspective it is a good idea. From a Premader, not so much.

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Capt_Beers
10.25.2012 , 10:15 AM | #12
There are so many bizarre assumptions going on in this thread it's mind bottiling

1 - Everyone on the opposite faction is in a premade. Simply not true.

2 - there is never a premade on your team. Also not true.

3 - All premades are full augmented WH. Starting to get real ridiculous now.

4 - That we need another bracket. No we don't. If you are serious about PvP you should have had 3500 rWZ comms and 2000 WZ comms when you hit 50. that is enough to get the WH MH/OH right away. I asked this robot and here the stats for a player geared this way. 1100 Expertise is very competitive for your first day at 50.

5 - People who want to play game based on team work with a team shouldn't be allowed to do so. What the what? If anything this game encourages you to join a group. I suggest you do it. You may make some friends and improve your play.

6 - 1500 expertise, EHL OH EHL. I asked my robot friend again and this are the stats he gave me for the best PvP gear available
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UGLYMRJ
10.25.2012 , 10:38 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Capt_Beers View Post
There are so many bizarre assumptions going on in this thread it's mind bottiling

1 - Everyone on the opposite faction is in a premade. Simply not true.

2 - there is never a premade on your team. Also not true.

3 - All premades are full augmented WH. Starting to get real ridiculous now.

4 - That we need another bracket. No we don't. If you are serious about PvP you should have had 3500 rWZ comms and 2000 WZ comms when you hit 50. that is enough to get the WH MH/OH right away. I asked this robot and here the stats for a player geared this way. 1100 Expertise is very competitive for your first day at 50.

5 - People who want to play game based on team work with a team shouldn't be allowed to do so. What the what? If anything this game encourages you to join a group. I suggest you do it. You may make some friends and improve your play.

6 - 1500 expertise, EHL OH EHL. I asked my robot friend again and this are the stats he gave me for the best PvP gear available
Well... I appreciate you saving me the typing and possible infraction.

This kind of blatant misinformation always makes me rage.

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Capt_Beers
10.25.2012 , 10:55 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Well... I appreciate you saving me the typing and possible infraction.

This kind of blatant misinformation always makes me rage.
I know. Judging ny the amount of people that have "Warfare is the art of deception" as there perhaps everyone is trying to deceive the other faction?
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Trews
10.25.2012 , 10:57 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Sindistical View Post
So basicly you're saying it's perfectly fair for a team of fresh 50's to be matched up against warlords and conquerors? That's a load of crap. And further more i have seen warlords w/ over 1500 expertise. What do they need to be matched up w/ players less than 1000 expertise? there's no sense in putting the warlords and conquerors against anyone but warlords and conquerors. All i'm saying is there is a serious imbalance in the expertise and gear match ups and it's time bioware get their heads out of their butts and address this issue.
Nope.
I like my 1-2 minute que's. More brackets = longer que times.
Quit complaining and grind the gear so you can take your turn at the top of the totem pole.

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pqgarvis
10.25.2012 , 11:39 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Sindistical View Post
So basicly you're saying it's perfectly fair for a team of fresh 50's to be matched up against warlords and conquerors? That's a load of crap. And further more i have seen warlords w/ over 1500 expertise. What do they need to be matched up w/ players less than 1000 expertise? there's no sense in putting the warlords and conquerors against anyone but warlords and conquerors. All i'm saying is there is a serious imbalance in the expertise and gear match ups and it's time bioware get their heads out of their butts and address this issue.
I completely agree with you!

I was in this warzone the other day and I ran into this AC from the other faction, and he absolutly destroyed me, so after rezzing I got completely mad and spent the rest of the warzone hunting him down. To my suprise he kept getting lucky and dominating me over and over.

BIOWARE ADDRESS THIS IMBALENCE NOW OR I WILL STOP PAYING FOR THIS GAME!

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Larry_Dallas
10.25.2012 , 12:05 PM | #17
As has been mentioned ops groups can't queue. What they CAN do is q 2 groups of 4, communicate in vent and decline the q until both groups get a simultaneous pop (though this works better with 2 groups of 3, rather than 2 groups of 4 for whatever reason). I've done that, it's boring for the premade, frustrating for the pug and I agree, it should be prohibited in some way.

What would be better than having expertise-based queues, which would simply be gear-gamed in some way to still allow intentional stomping of recruit pugs, would be to have 4 man ranked brackets. THAT would get teams like this out of the pug bracket.

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ArchangelLBC
10.26.2012 , 01:48 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
1. Ops groups can not queue for normal warzones, only 4-man teams. Multiple four man teams within an ops can queue seperately, but that's still 4 man groups queueing, not an Op.

2. I was just playing around with a gear calc, and a full WH with augments and custom expertise bracers/belt is 1390 expertise. Good luck finding enough people with 1500+ expertise. (Also, most "full WH" players are actually a mix of WH and a few PvE mods, hovering around 1200-1300 expertise)

3. No. That would effectively kill the Toon with the current 8 man requirement.

Now lemme see... Find friends, get better, gear up, go read the other 4 threads on this topic, prepare to be flamed and told "L2P" by the meaner pvp'ers. I think that about wraps it up.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chlomamf View Post
Nah, just implement a tool that makes Premades vs other Premades, fixes the entire problem. And before I get flamed with Premaders saying ''Lolololol noob that would make Premaders have to wait longer times for WZs'' yes, it would. If Premaders wanna Premade then they gonna have to wait the time for a WZ. Much more fairer for us PUGers, not so much for Premaders as they'll get stomped by other Premades much, much more often, but tough luck, that's the price ye gotta pay.

Ofcourse it's highly unlikely this idea will be implemented, but from a PUGers perspective it is a good idea. From a Premader, not so much.
First off: Fair. You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Second, the last thing any MMO should do is discourage people from grouping up. That is just contraindicated in pretty much every way possible.

Thirdly, EVERYONE'S queue times would go up.
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Veniras
10.26.2012 , 02:03 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
Second, the last thing any MMO should do is discourage people from grouping up. That is just contraindicated in pretty much every way possible..
The "Solo queue" button is there for a reason.

Allowing PUGS to meet premades is an imbalalance issue that slowly will drive PUGGERS away and discourage new PVP'ers

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Atramar
10.26.2012 , 02:14 AM | #20
In short 'whaaa whwaaa I'm bad and have no friends nerf good players and friendship.. whaaa whaaa

with so many false statements (1500 exp, ops groups) even my rude commnet makes more point and sense.
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