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The Cartel Market is now on the Public Test Server!
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SupremeLegate
10.24.2012 , 03:38 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by WalkerofRifts View Post
I have a big question that I'm not sure anyone's asked about. With update 1.4 we were supposed to get the ability to play as a Cathar. Was that idea scrapped? I want to play as them and wonder if 1.5 will correct that oversight.
I don't remember Cathar been supposed to be in 1.4, if so its been a while since that was true. As far as I know the Cathar are still coming, my bet it that they have been held back for release with F2P. I'm holding out hope that BW surprises us with more that just the Cathar, hoping for the Togruta and Nautolan.

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DeathHons
10.24.2012 , 04:46 PM | #62
Do I get full access for buying the 60 day digital time cards?

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ZeroPlus
10.24.2012 , 04:52 PM | #63
Not on the PTS but from what I've seen posted in screenshots and write-ups (thanks to all who took the time to do so) I'm actually quite pleased with what I'm seeing for Free2Play.

They really are holding true to their promise: they are ONLY providing convenience items in the Cartel Market.

Take a good look:
  • No planet mission packs!
    • That means that the GAME is really ALL there for Free: class quests, planet quests, heroics, bonus series, even Flash Points (full rewards only for the 1st 3, but you can keep playing them). Everything is accessible and playable.
  • Everything else is convenience.
    • You want more than 1 quickslot bar? Unlock them or subscribe. (Take a good hard look at your abilities. You only really need one bar for the abilities that you normally use. The other 3 bars are filled with "occassional"/"situational" abilities. Those bars are there for "convenience".)
    • You want to hide your helmet? Unlock the option or subscribe.
    • You want to color match your gear? Unlock the option or subsctribe.
    • Enjoying the PvP and want to play more than just 3 games? Unlock the option or subscribe. (NOTE: LOTRO has been F2P for years and they only recently unlocked PvP for F2P. SWTOR is doing it from day 1.)
    • Etc., etc., etc...

For those who currently subscribe and thought they could unsubscribe and still get everyhting they have now for nothing, think about this: if you unsubscribed and your paid time ran out *today* would you be able to play tomorrow? The answer is "no".

But when F2P goes live you will be able to play. Not only that, but the way this is setup, you will be getting a whole game for nothing. Albeit with restrictions to your "convenience". If those conveniences are important to you either subscribe again or unlock them. Your choice.

I'm really happy with what I've seen so far. They really are delivering on what they promised.
If you seek answers, you must always ask questions. - Master Vandar Tokare.

[Suggestion] Add another Blaster Pistol with the "A-300 Heavy Sonic Needler" model = DONE!

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ZeroPlus
10.24.2012 , 04:53 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by DeathHons View Post
Do I get full access for buying the 60 day digital time cards?
Yes. You are a subscriber.
If you seek answers, you must always ask questions. - Master Vandar Tokare.

[Suggestion] Add another Blaster Pistol with the "A-300 Heavy Sonic Needler" model = DONE!

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InnerPieces
10.24.2012 , 04:56 PM | #65
Without having my opinion skewed by reading everyone elses', here are my opinions on the Cartel Shop. These opinions are all about the items since the system worked perfectly for me (known issues aside).

I like most things about the cash shop, including the restrictions for F2P. Every restriction for F2P makes my subscription that much more valuable and I'm all for adding meaning to a subscription. I like the layout and the fact you there are double precautions in place to help prevent accidental purchases. I do think the prices are a bit high (especially considering how few points subscribers are getting for the past year - and the fact I'm still being shorted 300 points I should have.. but that's another story). I don't have specifics because I know the prices will fluctuate and it appears you have plans for sales to be faded in and out. That helps with over pricing.

The main thing I dislike are the packs. The clothing packs are okay, except I did not notice any items from the clothing packs available separately. I did not like any of the full suits available. I did like pieces of several. There is no way I will overpay for a full suit if I am not planning to use all (or most) of the pieces. You should offer all of the pieces in a full suit separately and have the total cost of buying the suits separately be slightly higher than buying the suit in bulk. That way, people who do want the full suit can get it a little cheaper buying the whole thing and those of us who just want a couple of pieces can purchase those without a thousand or more coins.

The other thing I sincerely disliked is the "Gambling" packs. Firstly, many of the items are not available on the store (currently) by themselves. They should be. It's difficult for me to gamble real money in real life. It's difficult for me to spend real money on a pretend, virtual item. Combining the two is about the worst thing you can do, in my opinion. You're only giving subscribers 500 coins a month (and far less than that for previous months), so we'll only be able to afford one gamble pack a month. The thing is, you put ALL the good stuff in the gamble packs. I would be far more willing to purchase the items separately, even if it costs more than a gamble pack, than risk spending five - six times more on the gamble packs and never getting the item I wanted. I understand this is absolutely a cartel coin sink (no doubt about that) and the cost of the packs are relatively cheap for what you can get. However, I will never buy one when real money is involved. I would be far more willing to buy the items I like outright.

Finally, any pretend item I purchase with real money (above and beyond my subscription) needs to be bind to legacy. I did notice how some items are freely tradable after 5 days. That's okay, I suppose, if it includes ALL cartel store bought items. However, I still think all cartel store items should be bind to legacy. You are undermining your ability to make money when subscribers are buying the most wanted items and selling them for in-game credits. I have no data for this.. it's just a feeling. Regardless, the items do need to be tradable (at least between your own characters) or else I won't be buying them.

That's all for now. I'll include more as I think of it. I hope this feedback matters to someone (at BioWare).
Quote:
"..Rise of the Hutt Cartel continues your character's story....No class specific storylines, though I know you guys are going to love what RotHC has to offer."
Funny. I thought the implementation of the Cartel Store was the Rise of the Hutt Cartel. And no, I do not like what that story has to offer. I keep getting screwed in it.

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iamthehoyden
10.24.2012 , 05:06 PM | #66
I'm kind of horrifically in awe of how many restrictions they've managed to put in so far. The shear amount of time and money in terms of development to create this...just wow. The nickle and diming is incredible in terms of scale.
aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?
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corosu
10.24.2012 , 06:48 PM | #67
After reading the posts and looking at the screenshots I like what BW did. Although I do agree with the point of the armor sets being sold as a whole and separately. I'm happy that BW didn't do what another game did and went with level caps on the armor as with armor found via mobs and such. I saw a point made about the legacy system unlocks. I hope that they include the perks such as the speeder speed I, etc as part of the shop. Although I can see why they won't include the races as the shop is made mostly for the F2P players, which are limited to 3 races.

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Deewe
10.24.2012 , 08:52 PM | #68
Based on Lotro subscription price, monthly Turbine points gift and pricing model, at this point 500 cartel coins in TOR is worth roundly $5.

Meaning:

By pricing order
  • $0.30 _ Minor Valor Boost
  • $0.50 _ Major Valor Boost
  • $0.90 _ Fleet Pass (single use)
  • $0.90 _ Quick Travel (single use)
  • $1.00 _ Customization Control: Display Legacy Name
  • $1.00 _ Customization Control: Display Titles
  • $1.20 _ Major Experience Boost
  • $1.20 _ Minor Experience Boost
  • $1.25 _ Unlock: 10 Galactic Trade Network Sale Slots
  • $1.50 _ CZ-5 Armored Assault Harness
  • $1.50 _ Dark Initiateís Robe
  • $1.50 _ MA-35 Forward Ops Chestplate
  • $1.50 _ Outriderís Flight Jacket
  • $1.50 _ Redeemerís Harness
  • $1.50 _ Saberistís Body Armor
  • $1.50 _ Street Slicerís Longcoat
  • $1.50 _ Wayfarerís Robe
  • $1.75 _ Authorization: Event Equipment Requisition
  • $1.75 _ Unlock: Inventory Module
  • $1.80 _ Black Market Cartel Pack
  • $1.80 _ Rancor Holo-Replica
  • $2.25 _ Legacy Perk: Improved Speeder Piloting II
  • $2.25 _ Legacy Perk: Improved Speeder Piloting III
  • $2.40 _ Invory Mouse Horranth
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Flashpoints
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Operations
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Space Missions
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Warzones
  • $2.50 _ Unlock: Additional Quickbar
  • $3.25 _ Authorization: Crew Member Appearence
  • $3.25 _ CZ-18x Avalanche Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ CZ-27k Stealth Ops Suit
  • $3.25 _ Dire Eliminatorís Chestguard
  • $3.25 _ Dire Overlordís Vestments
  • $3.25 _ Dire Taskmasterís Robe
  • $3.25 _ Dire Warmasterís Body Armor
  • $3.25 _ Emergency Responderís Overcoat
  • $3.25 _ Guard Captainís Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ Honored Adeptís Shroud
  • $3.25 _ Honored Championís Robe
  • $3.25 _ Honored Masterís Vestments
  • $3.25 _ Honored Saberistís Harness
  • $3.25 _ MA-52 Med-Tech Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ MA-53 Overwatch Chestplate
  • $3.50 _ Customization Control: Hide Head Slot
  • $3.50 _ Customization Control: Unify Colors
  • $3.50 _ Garmorrean Axe
  • $3.50 _ Garmorrean Axe*
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Chiss
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Cyborg
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Mirialan
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Sith Pureblood
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Miraluka
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Rattataki
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Twiílek
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Zabrak
  • $3.60 _ Crime Lordís Cartel Pack
  • $4.75 _ Expand your inventory an additional 10 slots.
  • $4.75 _ Unlock: Additional Cargo Bay
  • $4.75 _ Unlock: Cargo Hold Access
  • $4.80 _ 5-Pack: Major Experience Boost
  • $6.00 _ Access Authorization: Section X
  • $6.00 _ Unlock: Guild Bank Access
  • $7.20 _ Longspur Sportster
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Eviscerating Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Hawkeye Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Indestructible Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow War Heroís Crystal
  • $12.00 _ Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Authorization: Artifact Equipment
  • $12.00 _ CZ-13k Guerrilla Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Destroyerís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ MA-44 Combat Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Noble Commanderís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ nvestigatorís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Outlawís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Pathfinderís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ X-3 Techmasterís Armor Set
  • $14.40 _ Carbonite Chamber

By name for easy search:
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ie unlocking everything, getting all items and pets and doing for one round the weekly features will cost you $349.35

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dennisaskling
10.25.2012 , 07:44 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Deewe View Post
Based on Lotro subscription price, monthly Turbine points gift and pricing model, at this point 500 cartel coins in TOR is worth roundly $5.

Meaning:

By pricing order
  • $0.30 _ Minor Valor Boost
  • $0.50 _ Major Valor Boost
  • $0.90 _ Fleet Pass (single use)
  • $0.90 _ Quick Travel (single use)
  • $1.00 _ Customization Control: Display Legacy Name
  • $1.00 _ Customization Control: Display Titles
  • $1.20 _ Major Experience Boost
  • $1.20 _ Minor Experience Boost
  • $1.25 _ Unlock: 10 Galactic Trade Network Sale Slots
  • $1.50 _ CZ-5 Armored Assault Harness
  • $1.50 _ Dark Initiateís Robe
  • $1.50 _ MA-35 Forward Ops Chestplate
  • $1.50 _ Outriderís Flight Jacket
  • $1.50 _ Redeemerís Harness
  • $1.50 _ Saberistís Body Armor
  • $1.50 _ Street Slicerís Longcoat
  • $1.50 _ Wayfarerís Robe
  • $1.75 _ Authorization: Event Equipment Requisition
  • $1.75 _ Unlock: Inventory Module
  • $1.80 _ Black Market Cartel Pack
  • $1.80 _ Rancor Holo-Replica
  • $2.25 _ Legacy Perk: Improved Speeder Piloting II
  • $2.25 _ Legacy Perk: Improved Speeder Piloting III
  • $2.40 _ Invory Mouse Horranth
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Flashpoints
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Operations
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Space Missions
  • $2.40 _ Weekly Pass: Warzones
  • $2.50 _ Unlock: Additional Quickbar
  • $3.25 _ Authorization: Crew Member Appearence
  • $3.25 _ CZ-18x Avalanche Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ CZ-27k Stealth Ops Suit
  • $3.25 _ Dire Eliminatorís Chestguard
  • $3.25 _ Dire Overlordís Vestments
  • $3.25 _ Dire Taskmasterís Robe
  • $3.25 _ Dire Warmasterís Body Armor
  • $3.25 _ Emergency Responderís Overcoat
  • $3.25 _ Guard Captainís Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ Honored Adeptís Shroud
  • $3.25 _ Honored Championís Robe
  • $3.25 _ Honored Masterís Vestments
  • $3.25 _ Honored Saberistís Harness
  • $3.25 _ MA-52 Med-Tech Chestplate
  • $3.25 _ MA-53 Overwatch Chestplate
  • $3.50 _ Customization Control: Hide Head Slot
  • $3.50 _ Customization Control: Unify Colors
  • $3.50 _ Garmorrean Axe
  • $3.50 _ Garmorrean Axe*
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Chiss
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Cyborg
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Mirialan
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock: Sith Pureblood
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Miraluka
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Rattataki
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Twiílek
  • $3.50 _ Legacy Unlock:Zabrak
  • $3.60 _ Crime Lordís Cartel Pack
  • $4.75 _ Expand your inventory an additional 10 slots.
  • $4.75 _ Unlock: Additional Cargo Bay
  • $4.75 _ Unlock: Cargo Hold Access
  • $4.80 _ 5-Pack: Major Experience Boost
  • $6.00 _ Access Authorization: Section X
  • $6.00 _ Unlock: Guild Bank Access
  • $7.20 _ Longspur Sportster
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Eviscerating Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Hawkeye Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow Indestructible Crystal
  • $9.00 _ Advanced Orange-Yellow War Heroís Crystal
  • $12.00 _ Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Authorization: Artifact Equipment
  • $12.00 _ CZ-13k Guerrilla Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Destroyerís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ MA-44 Combat Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Noble Commanderís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ nvestigatorís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Outlawís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ Pathfinderís Armor set
  • $12.00 _ X-3 Techmasterís Armor Set
  • $14.40 _ Carbonite Chamber

By name for easy search:
Spoiler


ie unlocking everything, getting all items and pets and doing for one round the weekly features will cost you $349.35
Very nice thx for this info bud!

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Yrkul
10.25.2012 , 07:45 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
Not on the PTS but from what I've seen posted in screenshots and write-ups (thanks to all who took the time to do so) I'm actually quite pleased with what I'm seeing for Free2Play.

They really are holding true to their promise: they are ONLY providing convenience items in the Cartel Market.
I think you missed the detail about not being able to wear purple quality gear. Furthermore, the cap on warzone commendations bars F2P players from acquiring top tier PvP weapons. In effect, TOR becomes a "Pay to Win" game.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
Take a good look:[LIST][*]No planet mission packs!
  • That means that the GAME is really ALL there for Free: class quests, planet quests, heroics, bonus series, even Flash Points (full rewards only for the 1st 3, but you can keep playing them). Everything is accessible and playable.
  • Do note that Section X will be restricted. Paid access or subs. While not a whole planet in itself, it is still part of the gameworld in exactly the same way as other open world sectors.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
[*]Everything else is convenience.[LIST][*]You want more than 1 quickslot bar? Unlock them or subscribe. (Take a good hard look at your abilities. You only really need one bar for the abilities that you normally use. The other 3 bars are filled with "occassional"/"situational" abilities. Those bars are there for "convenience".)
I don't know about your playstyle, but my rotations alone take up half an actionbar. Then comes 2-4 AoE, 3-4 heals for those with access to that, 2-5 CC abilities, 3-8 escapes/ stealth and survival abilities, 3-5 medkits stims and adrenals, 1-3+ relics/grenades and other equipment used on the fly. Then comes the buffs, recuperation and reload abilities. Without convenience abilities like fast travel, speeders and such, I easily fill 3 bars with abilities I need fast access to.

What you call "convenience", I and probably others call a necessity.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
[*]You want to hide your helmet? Unlock the option or subscribe.[*]You want to color match your gear? Unlock the option or subsctribe.
This is VERY subjective. Most MMOs offer the helmet visibility option from the start, be it P2P or F2P, and while not necessary to playing the game in the basic sense, it is often vital to the players identification of him/herself in the character and the immersive aspect of the game.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
[*]Enjoying the PvP and want to play more than just 3 games? Unlock the option or subscribe. (NOTE: LOTRO has been F2P for years and they only recently unlocked PvP for F2P. SWTOR is doing it from day 1.)[*]Etc., etc., etc...
It is doubtful, that F2P players will find it PvP enjoyable getting roflstomped by players in high end gear, without the ability to get equipped well enough to be competitive. A lot of F2P and P-once2P offer the PvP experience without these restrictions.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus View Post
For those who currently subscribe and thought they could unsubscribe and still get everyhting they have now for nothing, think about this: if you unsubscribed and your paid time ran out *today* would you be able to play tomorrow? The answer is "no".

But when F2P goes live you will be able to play. Not only that, but the way this is setup, you will be getting a whole game for nothing. Albeit with restrictions to your "convenience". If those conveniences are important to you either subscribe again or unlock them. Your choice.

I'm really happy with what I've seen so far. They really are delivering on what they promised.
They promised a F2P model and ended up with a P2W game, whose restrictions on basic gameplay is very detrimental to the playing experience from my point of view. It also stratifies the player base, creating a "paying master race" with unrestricted access to crafting, trading and prosperity. F2P players will not be able to compete with paying players, be it PvE, PvP or economically. Furthermore, there was in AoC, when it went F2P, as well as here judging from the last quote, a tendency to view non-paying players as freeloaders.

The big question is: Why would anyone even bother playing with the F2P model?

I'm very sceptical about the success of the F2P version of TOR in its current form. I myself had no intention of playing without subs anyway, so it won't affect me directly. However, I can't recommend anyone to try the game on grounds of it being F2P, as I wouldn't find it an enjoyable playing experience myself with the restrictions currently in place. The P215 version failed to attract enough players, so this hamstrung F2P(P2W) version will not do much better, let alone make old players come back.

I can recommend checking out the overviews of different facets of the F2P model on dulfy.net. It helps get a more clear picture of what is to come.