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Stupid F2P Restrictions


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Styxx
10.17.2012 , 08:25 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Froippi View Post
LOTRO would do this would unlock all trait slots as long as character was made when sub currebcy cap was removed some other thing i can't remember off the top of my head but it was not everything only some things
This is not LOTRO. Some were so hell-bent on how F2P is the next best thing, that they didn`t read some text, how this is SWTOR and not LOTRO.
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ChifferElite
10.17.2012 , 08:25 AM | #122
Sick of people complaining about restrictions, I've heard more and more people buying top quality machines for £1000 then complaining about having to pay a mere 8.99 for a subscription. Of course there's going to be restrictions that are there so its worth paying the sub fee for bw don't want people to pay for free for nothing! Nothing good in thisworld is free!
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terrorfistjab
10.17.2012 , 08:28 AM | #123
See this is the problem when trying to do a hybrid(subs and non-sub) customer base. EA clearly wants you to sub, which means they have to restrict the FTPlayers, and entice you to start subbing. This creates a segregation of the community, and the balancing act of not giving the FTPlayers too much versus punishing them for not subbing becomes a cumbersome task at best, and one that I don't feel EA based on their past business practices are equipped to handle.

Also the free-to-play option seems to be a marketing gimmick to mask the backdoor introduction of Micro-transactions. So even if the FTP option is only marginally successful, they now have MTs as an acceptable feature to further get coin out of subs pockets.

To be honest I was every happy at first hearing of the FTP options, and I had three friends, one who had played the game before and left after 50 and two others who have never played, who were going to start with the FTP option; now after hearing the finer details they have all reconsidered, and as a paying subscriber I don't blame them.

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
10.17.2012 , 08:30 AM | #124
One restriction that i dont like on subs is that you have to buy a stupid pass to wear most purples. I hope that that restriction is not on Tio/Colu/Rakata and BH/Camp/DG gear otherwise i hope it only costs 1k cartel coins or less to buy the stupid pass...

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Ifrica
10.17.2012 , 08:30 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Aroa View Post
If those 2 extra seconds doesn't matter much then why not just give them sprint at level 1 then instead of possibly pissing off both non-subscribers and the subscribers they party with? Besides, 2 seconds every at every fight will quickly add up to minutes and even hours in the long run.

It may not affect me much but it does affect me if I choose to play with a non-subscriber. I was just using it as an example and say that it is possible that the restrictions to non-subscribers can affect subscribers and I think that is something Bioware should strive to avoid if possible.

And if you don't think it matters much if you have sprint or not, try leveling a character with sprint turned off and compare the leveling times with a character that uses sprint.

Btw, does it say anywhere when non-subscribers will get Sprint? Will they get it at level 14 (or whatever it was when SWTOR was released) or will they not be able to get it at all?
we were talking about flashpoints right? where we run from 1 trashpack to another? it rly won't make a difference at all, since you only have to run a few meters. the sprint is there because of the long runs on low-lvl planets until you get a speeder (as you mentioned youself, but in normal leveling it doesn't affect us subscribers, unless you are helping a f2p player, and in that case, you decide to help/lvl with him so you should cope with it). and if you spend hours in a fp, then you are doing it wrong, i have never been in a fp longer then an hour, even with killing most of the trash and watching cinematics, imo that is not an argument. (and again, you are playing an MMo wich generally is a time-sink )

and to that last question, i have no answer, sorry, i can't find an official statement on that.
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Blackweb
10.17.2012 , 08:31 AM | #126
So let me get this straight.. when someone offers you a candy bar you don't accept it and say thanks? Instead you whine about it not being the exact kind of candy bar you felt like having? If you don't like the F2P restrictions... PAY for the game. Problem solved.

Personally I invite a F2P option if it means more ppl to play the game with.
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bravotwentysev
10.17.2012 , 08:32 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
One restriction that i dont like on subs is that you have to buy a stupid pass to wear most purples. I hope that that restriction is not on Tio/Colu/Rakata and BH/Camp/DG gear otherwise i hope it only costs 1k cartel coins or less to buy the stupid pass...
Other gamea out their have this also. Cant wear raid or fabled gear in EQ or EQ2 unless subbed. It you convert to f2p from sub your gear is kicked off you and unwearable.

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Elfindreams
10.17.2012 , 08:34 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
One restriction that i dont like on subs is that you have to buy a stupid pass to wear most purples. I hope that that restriction is not on Tio/Colu/Rakata and BH/Camp/DG gear otherwise i hope it only costs 1k cartel coins or less to buy the stupid pass...
That appears to be a typo, the other language pages have it correct. So either the other language pages have it wrong in a sensible fashion that is consistent with the phrasing of "full access" or the english one has it inconsistent

Frankly it looks like someone cut and paste something and forgot to edit it..
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Ifrica
10.17.2012 , 08:37 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Elfindreams View Post
My only concern with the restrictions center around the emergency fleet pass.

Right now as a subscriber we get:
18h cooldown emergency fleet pass
option to buy for 1000 in game credits separate fleet passes if we have a security key

After as a subscriber it sound like we get:
18h cooldown emergency fleet pass
option to buy for real money separate fleet passes

or are they keeping the security key vendor and passes there and make them an option as well? Either way it sounds like I am going to stock up just in case.
my guess is that the fleet passes from security vendor will stay, since they aren't losing the security keys, i guess the vendors will stay too, with the stuff they sell.

but it's a good question, it made me wonder what would happen if a f2p player gets a security key. will they be able to buy the fleet passes for 1000 creds too?
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Elfindreams
10.17.2012 , 08:39 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Elfindreams View Post
That appears to be a typo, the other language pages have it correct. So either the other language pages have it wrong in a sensible fashion that is consistent with the phrasing of "full access" or the english one has it inconsistent

Frankly it looks like someone cut and paste something and forgot to edit it..
In fact it is now confirmed that it is a typo:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=544668
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