Please Completely REMOVE PvP from SWTOR

Ahhhh yes, the typical troll response. I suck at PvP and therefor want it removed. No... SWTOR sucks at PvP. The fact that they are refunding skill points with every single game update illustrates just how terrible EA/BW has been at "balancing PvP". They are "bad at pvp"... not me.

BioWare: Decide what your game should be. I'm sure that you can see by now that your game cannot be all things to all people. You have failed at that. Accept it. Accept that and make a game that will appeal to your actual customer base. The people who bought KOTOR in droves are your customers. The people who bought the Mass Effect games in droves are your customers. Make an online version of those games and you will find the success you've been chasing these past 6 (or more) years. Can you really not see this???

I played NWN, KOTOR, Mass Effect.. and I exclusively PvP in SWTOR.

I have just thrown your argument out the window.

Dumbest thread ever. I petition to remove OP completely from SWTOR

Now, instead of demanding that PvP be removed, you should instead be demanding that they make a separate skill tree JUST for pvp, and make skills behave one way in PvE, and another in PvP. Then we could have both living together in harmony.

To demand that an integral part of the MMO experience be removed because it messes up your PvE just shows you to be a fool.

I watched in horror for over two years while the team over at SOE and LucasArts tried to "balance" and "re-balance" and "re-balance the entire game just to satisfy the so-called "PvP Community". This "balance" was never achieved and the "community" was never satisfied. Ever. Ultimately we ended up with the NGE which was almost as popular as New Coke and the rest is history.

One of my greatest fears for SWTOR was that EA/BioWare would fall into the same trap and suffer this never ending cycle of balance and re-balance. Early on during beta we had Georg Zoeller and others that kept the community in line. They didn't cave into every little cry of, "Nerf this" and "Nerf that". For the most part things went smoothly.

However, during the last three game updates we have seen changes that were dramatic enough where a complete and total refund of skill points were necessary.

Game Update 1.2 - Legacy (4/12/2012)

Game Update 1.3 - Allies (6/26/2012)

Game Update 1.4 Terror From Beyond (9/26/2012)


Additionally... and possibly even more disturbing is that we have seen new features being held back to just to satisfy the "PvP Community". During Game Update 1.2 - Legacy there were legacy skills actually listed in the game named "Celerity I and Celerity II". These legacy skills were intended to give all of your characters in the legacy an increase to their sprint modifier. However when Game Update 1.3 - Allies hit PTS these abilities were mysteriously gone from the game. When asked why we were told the following by William Wallace:



Let's all be honest with each other for a moment here. PvP has no real place in this game. It's not part of the story. It almost seems to be an afterthought as it is. There are only 4 maps (yes you reading that right... FOUR whole maps. Not even good ones) where the same 16 people are killing each other over and over again. So basically this game and its entire community is meant to suffer because the same tiny group of people complain over and over and over again and will never... and I mean NEVER be satisfied.

EA/BioWare: Stick to what you are good at which is... Interactive, Cinematic, Story Telling and Role Playing. Let these folks go kill each other over and over again in MW3 or COD3 or Halo4 or whatever pleases them. They represent such a minute portion of your subscriber base yet you are KILLING YOUR GAME trying to please them. They will never be satisfied and you will ultimately be left with nothing but an empty, twisted shell of what you set out to create.

Find the courage to develop the game that 99% of players want to really play. More story. More cooperative play. More customization. More role play. More progression.

Please completely remove PvP from SWTOR.

My argument? My argument is that they are unable to properly balance PvP in SWTOR. My argument is supported by the FACT that they've butchered the skill trees so badly in the past three game updates that they've had to refund skill points for everyone. Not just PvP'ers. Those are facts.

My argument is that PvP'ers will NEVER be happy with balance in this game because this game is trying to accomplish too much. The scope is completely out of control and the game has failed. We went from over 200+ servers to 8. That is a fact.

To everyone that is a PvE kid and thinks PvP should be removed....ever considered that maybe you are just not that good at the game? sorry that pve is too easy and you can't be good at the difficult part of the game.

My argument? My argument is that they are unable to properly balance PvP in SWTOR. My argument is supported by the FACT that they've butchered the skill trees so badly in the past three game updates that they've had to refund skill points for everyone. Not just PvP'ers. Those are facts.

My argument is that features have been removed from this game because of PvP as referenced by the links in my OP. That is a fact.

My argument is that PvP'ers will NEVER be happy with balance in this game because this game is trying to accomplish too much. The scope is completely out of control and the game has failed. We went from over 200+ servers to 8. That is a fact.

What games you play with yourself at home have nothing to do with my argument.

I totally agree with the OP. There is no satisfying pvpers. Ever. They will never find their perfect nirvana, because someone will always be more skilled, better geared, haxxing or whatever other excuse eases their shrivelled little epeens.

So many games try to suck up to pvpers. Let this one, be the one thing, that is for rp-ers and pver's.