Star Wars, The Bugged Republic

Go back and read over the last page or so. You are confused.

I got WoW's lost subscriptions straight from Blizzard's mouth. I'd probably have to plow through old MMO champion articles or something to find it, though. As for everything else, I see these things stated on various MMO articles, but then I haven't seen anyone show any factual evidence otherwise so I suppose it's pointless to argue about it.
A good question to ask is why WoW is the only MMO to ever reach anything near the success it has. It's certainly not because it is a flawless game with flawless customer service, I can attest to that.

Right, because they just released a new expansion, and everyone I know who stopped playing WoW bought the game again and is trying it out. But they'll start dropping down again once all the one month trials, recruit a friend, and scrolls of resurrection end, along with everyone who bought the annual pass for the Dialblo III deal about a year ago. I am currently re-subscribed to WoW (albeit with a free game card, yay to knowing employees, I never have to pay for WoW). My whole guild is already starting raiding and we've got a couple of level 90 monks, everyone's going to start getting bored again in few months. :/ We used to not really have other good options for our MMO fix, but now we do, and we've all changed a bit in how much time we like to put in.

I agree with everything chuixupu wrote here.

No I am not confused at all. You are the one who is confused. You have now been shown proof you are wrong yet you insist on saying that v1 was available for retail sale. It was not. v2 was the first time it was available as a door game commerically. Even in your own link it says that. So sorry but you are 100% wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about and only going on about some wikipedia link. I on the other hand lived it. Go ahead tho keep being bullheaded and insist even when proven wrong you are still right somehow.

Im waiting for the personal attacks to start now.

What are you talking about?

I never made the claim that I was playing it in 1991 in the first place. That's your first source of confusion.

Secondly, there has been no insistence of anything. I just pointed out that according to it's official timeline, it says it was released in 1991. You correctly pointed out that it wasn't available to be bought until 1994. You seem to ignore simply that other people have had different experiences, and that others may have been playing it before then.

Then you quoted the original poster, and claimed I was trying to back up my argument with "Wikipedia" articles....which in fact I'm not. I wasn't making the argument. More confusion on your part.

After all that you call me bullheaded.....and claim that you are waiting for the personal attacks to start? Seems like you have already started it to me.

I do believe that is the Holy Grail of MMO questions.......one that most (if not all) MMO companies have asked themselves countless times, as well as many, many, players.

I don't have an answer.....but I don't think the answer is a simple one, either.

No, certainly not. I *believe* that a big part of it was timing. The time that WoW came out was just the right time in which the fairly new MMO audience saw something and grabbed on to it. I believe Blizzard had a lot of passion for the game creation too, without getting into arguments about what they borrowed from other existing MMOs and what-not, they created a good game. And they have earned themselves a loyal following that will be there with them to the end. I'm sure one thing that everyone who has played other MMOs has experienced is people getting into another game, but then seeing them go back to WoW "because all the people I know are there" and it's kind of a domino effect. Like just about everyone in my WoW guild started playing SWTOR in the beginning, but many of them slowly starting trickling back to WoW, and the majority wasn't "I don't like SWTOR" or even "WoW is better" as their reason, it was "I like this game but my buddy went back and I wanted to play with him more".

At this point I kind of agree with the recent article that stated there is just a finite number of people that will play MMOs, and most of them are already playing. There will probably never be another game of this type that pulls WoW numbers, it will probably be something with some incredible new technology that isn't possible yet.

I honestly believe SWTOR is a good game at its core too, despite its flaws. Playing it definitely forever changed my feelings on WoW in many ways.

'Different standards' surely would be better right?

Those 2 million obviously prefer to spend $15 a month doing something else. Does that make them superior or in possession of superior tastes? Nope. It's quickly becoming the norm but you have no idea/facts/intel on why those 2mil quit. Some quit due to $ cost, some due to disillusionment, some due to prefering other games etc. Myriad of reasons and to imply that you're able to sum all 2 million reasons up with 'higher standards' is as close to pure comedy as I've read recently. /Tiphat.

Simple rule to avoid looking foolish in game forums, never equate numbers with quality. Mmm, might have some T-shirts printed up with that on /ponder.

OT: 1.4 was a nightmare bug wise. One of the worst patches I've seen considering the amount of things it broke. Loved the content but the poilish was non-existant. This isn't the buggiest game i've played at all but I do hope 1.4 was a one off occurance.

The big question for me is if Blizzard even know. Actually maybe they do know but are unable to replicate the circumstances.

We'll find that out when they get round to releasing their next MMO (Titan 2014/15).

OP, if you have been playing that long, and not experienced what you stated, then you have not been playing that long.

Seriously.

This is not, nor will it be the last game that doesn't address issues.

Dark Age of Camelot had bugs with classes for YEARS before they were finally fixed - I know, I helped identify them as a Team Lead.

If you really experienced stuff like that, then you are a very lucky person.