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Is Taris even worth saving?

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Is Taris even worth saving?

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AlexDougherty
10.12.2012 , 09:51 AM | #11
whether a planet is Savable might not be defined by compatable with Humans, But until the Rakghoul plague is dealable Taris isn't suitable to any Sentients.
The planet's Ecosystem is obviously viable, but anybody who hears about Rakghouls and the disease that causes them, and then thinks Taris is nice and colonisable, needs serious psychiatric help.

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HellbirdIV
10.12.2012 , 10:29 AM | #12
What you need to remember is that Taris is an ecumenopolis - an entire planet covered in cityscape. Very few full planets, even in Star Wars, boast the same - Coruscant, Corellia, Alsakan and Anaxes are some of the few. Even Nar Shaddaa is merely a moon, far smaller than Taris.

The resources required to recolonize and reconstitute Taris are a microfraction of the resources required to create an entire ecumenopolis even on an already mostly urbanized planet. The original infrastructure is, according to several NPCs, "Surprisingly intact" as well.

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TalonVII
10.12.2012 , 10:39 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by HellbirdIV View Post
What you need to remember is that Taris is an ecumenopolis - an entire planet covered in cityscape. Very few full planets, even in Star Wars, boast the same - Coruscant, Corellia, Alsakan and Anaxes are some of the few. Even Nar Shaddaa is merely a moon, far smaller than Taris.

The resources required to recolonize and reconstitute Taris are a microfraction of the resources required to create an entire ecumenopolis even on an already mostly urbanized planet. The original infrastructure is, according to several NPCs, "Surprisingly intact" as well.
Actually incorrect about Corellia. It is not a city planet. It simply has some GIGANTIC cities. But much of the planet is open and even has mountains.
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MelodicSixNine
10.12.2012 , 10:44 AM | #14
To answer creator of the thread : No Taris is not worth saving from economic or logistic point of view. As you said it's silly, but both sides battle each other for it in political scene.

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Taris was a symbol. For the Republic, fixing Taris would be a becon in the dark; saying "Hey, if we can fix up a planet this bad then we can do anything".
For the Empire, Taris was a symbol of the Republic's inability to stop the Sith. It was a "Look here, the Republic failed to save Taris the first time and they're failing to save it again."
Symbols have power all of their own, they give hope in the darkness or swallow you in despair and that's what both sides are counting on.

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FearlessXIII
10.13.2012 , 01:17 AM | #15
The main problem seems to be the Rakghouls.
And while I can see how they might be a problem for repaircrews and settlers, I can't se why they are portraied as a viable threat to trained and fully equiped combat troops.
I'm not talking game mechanics, but storywise.
I mean, they're just animals with teeth and claws, mkay?

Shouldn't be too hard to prune them back.
Most of them seem to hang out in the open. Why not just hop into a skimmer, hover four meter above ground and 'happy target practice'?
Pay twenty bucks for each Rakghoul and you'll even find volounteers to do the job for you. That way it's cheaper than to send in the republic's troops.
I think we'll find enough examples on earth to show that excessive hunting can drive a species to extinction.

Or use droids.
Again, claws and teeth.
Duranium armour and a repulsor in stead of legs. Make weapon arms too bulky for a Rak's jaw to gripp (like a dog who can't pic up a ball bacause of it's diameter), and your droid is all but invulnerable.
Strapp a heavy blaster, a flamethrower and some incindiary/thermobaric granades to it, and send it on it's way to clear out the Rak's hideouts.

Or use chemical agents.
Most Rakghouls are mutated humans, right? Well, break out the sarin gas!
If native wildlive's biochemistry differs enough from human's, the local fauna shouldn't even be affected.
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Forgon
10.13.2012 , 06:59 AM | #16
You are forgetting the fact that Rakghouls are also inside facilities and building and swarm rather quickly. The threat is not in the fact they are animals, but that they seem to be limitless and only need to touch you once to make you one of them.

I would agree if they were just a really dangerous animal (like a lion) but rakghouls have features that most animals we hunt on Earth do not.

You don't see a pack of lions swarming your jeep in Africa from the tall grass and turn you into a lion if it grazes you.
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FearlessXIII
10.13.2012 , 07:19 AM | #17
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You are forgetting the fact that Rakghouls are also inside facilities and building and swarm rather quickly. The threat is not in the fact they are animals, but that they seem to be limitless and only need to touch you once to make you one of them.
As I said, purpose-built combat droids, incindiarys and neurotoxins.

As for the infecting, so far, I have ben under the impression, that the Rakghoul has to actualy bite you or otherwise penetrate your skin to transmit the desease.
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Quething
10.13.2012 , 07:26 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Forgon View Post
You are forgetting the fact that Rakghouls are also inside facilities and building and swarm rather quickly. The threat is not in the fact they are animals, but that they seem to be limitless and only need to touch you once to make you one of them.

I would agree if they were just a really dangerous animal (like a lion) but rakghouls have features that most animals we hunt on Earth do not.

You don't see a pack of lions swarming your jeep in Africa from the tall grass and turn you into a lion if it grazes you.
Disease, regardless of type, is only an issue if it's untreatable. The rakghoul plague isn't. Revan and... a doctor whose name escapes me came up with a cure three hundred years ago. The Pub-side Four and another doctor whose name escapes me managed to replicate it within a week of leaving Coruscant. If you go lightside it's even pressed into production almost immediately and through altruistic channels, so it's pretty clear the Republic has the resources to mass-produce and distribute it; by the end of Republic Taris this is a first-world measles epidemic, not a third-world AIDS epidemic.

The real problem with the rakghouls is not that they can turn other species into ghouls, it's that they're apparently sentient now, up to and including having protolithic Sith in their ranks. This makes hunting them a far less simple affair than putting up a bounty and sending some droids around. Beating a horde armed with blasters and Force Lightning takes tech, training, and Jedi support.

On the other hand, it also offers the potential for a peace treaty, which isn't an option with an animal infestation or viral epidemic. So there's a sliver of hope there too.

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HellbirdIV
10.13.2012 , 11:33 AM | #19
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by the end of Republic Taris this is a first-world measles epidemic, not a third-world AIDS epidemic.
Hell no.

The Rakghoul plague is extremely virulent and people who are infected can turn within hours. Even if we assume 100% success rate in the vaccine (which is impossible) there are thousands of people on Taris (including pirates and scavengers who don't exactly have Republic support) and what's worse, because of how virulent the Rakghoul plague is, two rakghouls from the same social group can have sufficiently different strains that the vaccine will only work against one of them - if that!

It's certainly not a third-world AIDS epidemic, it's a third-world bubonic plague epidemic. AIDS has the decency of being easy to contain in theory and only spreading through ignorance and carelessness, whereas the Rakghoul plague spreads aggressively through its hosts actively attacking anything in sight.

The Rakghouls can even breed amongst themselves in the modern era (which is how they've thrived despite having no victims to infect for centuries) so exterminating them conventionally is as feeble a gesture as exterminating rat or rabbit populations... except if you screw up here, you'll become part of the problem.

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FearlessXIII
10.13.2012 , 01:18 PM | #20
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Hell no.

The Rakghoul plague is extremely virulent and people who are infected can turn within hours. Even if we assume 100% success rate in the vaccine (which is impossible) there are thousands of people on Taris (including pirates and scavengers who don't exactly have Republic support) and what's worse, because of how virulent the Rakghoul plague is, two rakghouls from the same social group can have sufficiently different strains that the vaccine will only work against one of them - if that!

It's certainly not a third-world AIDS epidemic, it's a third-world bubonic plague epidemic. AIDS has the decency of being easy to contain in theory and only spreading through ignorance and carelessness, whereas the Rakghoul plague spreads aggressively through its hosts actively attacking anything in sight.

The Rakghouls can even breed amongst themselves in the modern era (which is how they've thrived despite having no victims to infect for centuries) so exterminating them conventionally is as feeble a gesture as exterminating rat or rabbit populations... except if you screw up here, you'll become part of the problem.
The rat analogy doesn't realy fit.
Most atempts to erradicate rats or rabits (or other varmin) fail, bacause we do not dare to use the most effective weapons at our diposal for fear of unwanted effect on the rest of the ecosystem.
On Taris those constraints do not necessarily exist.
We cannot use acetylcholinestrase inhibitors on rats, beacuse it would allso kill other fauna (and any human who would stray into the aera).
On Taris, the native critters may use a different neurotransmiter than the human descendent Rakghouls, so use of acetylcholinesterase inhibition based neurotoxins may be faisible.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.

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