Judging the game too harsh

Irony.

Lol are you even surprised? I learned to ignore those laughable opinions long ago.

Not at all. People love to make **edit** up.

No. Hypocrisy.

Come on guys. We don't have to agree, but does everyone really have to have some hidden agenda behind their opinions?

The accurate number that plays out consistently across new MMOs is 60-70% attrition in the first 6-8 months, as I have often stated, and is supported by data tracking at MMOdata. That is normal attrition these days.

If you are using 75-90% as your estimate of losses in this game, there is simply no data to support that at this time. Why? because even a conservative estimation of populations in the game just prior to the server merges puts the gam population well above 600K. In addition, there is only limited corelation between box sales and subscriptions when people start doing the simplistic math to back into the number they want to prosecute. Data to support 90% simply does not exist, not in any objective sense. When there is data to support that, I will agree with you and continue the discussion at that point. 75%, perhaps, but that puts it right back as essentially normal attrition levels for new MMOs.

You of all people should have seen it.

EVE is a game for the hardcore player = which, not as many, they are steady and keeping onto one game = as an example to your "old non-nomadic" players.

WOW is the opposite spectrum = the casual player = which is beginning to become a phenomenon. Still, it can bring bigger numbers.

So we have the 2 faces of success = the "niche" game, or the game made for the hardcore player and the "pick up and play" game, made for the casual. One has 400k subs.. the other has 10 mils.

Regardless what the present day gamer profile is... you don`t need to be a genius to pick your horse. As sad as things are...

Don't give Me that. You know damn well You still bite on that hook every time. If someone doesn't have statistical proof they will scour the net for anything to back up their claim, because if it's on the interwebz it must be true!

Point in fact is even data is biased.

You're getting "fact" trolled.

stop falling for it....

If that person "thinks" they know the reason why things are happening to the game, Let Em think it.

(We know the truth)

Make a game that isn't all that great, expect less people.

you mean from ea game to ea game.alot of the people who came to swtor were in other ea games that crashed and burned hard, dcuo, swg, daoc just name a few, any game written by EA is pretty much guaranteed to be a bust to people who started in the 90s with UO.Why is that you ask? because we seen it first hand.

its been proven that star wars is a huge draw to anyone, so would star trek be, DC comics and many other sci fi type themes, however they keep letting the wrong people get control of it and then doing stupid stuff.Given the right resources any real gamer could destroy the bigger MMO's however its become more of a profit racket than a quality racket.

UO in its infancy when Rainz killed british.Now that was quality.

SWG in its infancy with the tusken king bug and creature handlers/Tera Kasi that was quality.

DAOC before TOA, now that was quality.

MCO before hazard hollow.Now that was quality.

I bet any of those games under the same system with the few flaws they had fixed would have been the golden cash cow.
the rest after that never had a chance.

I started with the real old games on trash 80s, commie 64s and 8086 when a 300 baud modem made you a real nerd.Games like street rod, bards tale, keith the thief, kings quest the beginnings of gaming, Most of those games had substance, thats what is lacking now, especially in this game right now.Basically a jedi is a jedi is a jedi and pretty much cannon fodder.

The things people enjoyed in the star wars movies wasnt watching their heros get blown to smithereens in 1 hit.It was watching them bounce bolts away with sabers and riding around on beasts and being epic.I dont recall no one in star wars being stun locked for a hour or spending hours out of control of themselves 90% of the movie except han who was frozen in carbonite.

Well, ok. I will say only this, as I stated earlier. If you combine perhaps market conditions and normal attrition you could reach the current losses. I think your holding on to the past if you cling to the 600k number...only because a thread existed here (before the merge) that put the subs at likely around 300 to 350k on the low end, 450 to 500k on the high end. I think we have to wait until the next earnings call...until then I will concede that market conditions and normal attrition COULD have represented losses here.

But I still feel strongly that that is a stretch at best.

I would add that the numbers I have seen only show two AAA MMO titles that have lost players as fast as this game and in the same percentage bracket....AoC and Warhammer....and the reason both of those games lost so many subs are well known and documented across the net. It was the quality of the games, not market forces that killed them both.

Most other AAA titles have gone over a year, some even two years before losing this much population. And that is from MMOdata. I could be wrong mind you, but that is the information I see.