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TUXs
10.11.2012 , 03:00 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMeerkat View Post
TOR is a God-send in the PvP department.
Yeah, you've lost all credibility with that statement. Obviously you're just trolling, not really looking to debate anything because that's just foolish.
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10.11.2012 , 03:05 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
This proves nothing because ALL MMORPGs "play the same" if you go to the source of the of the design which is just a variable reward yeilding Skinner Box. For that matter you could say that MMORPGs have the same gameplay as a slot machine.

Yep. All MMO's play the same. "Sandbox" and "Theme-park" are grossly overused terms that really only apply to social aspects of the game anyway. A real sandbox game is something like SimCity where you start with nothing and make the world.

It's pretty sad that all MMO's are near identical. Think of the variety of games that fall under the "RPG" label. You have everything from hardcore, muti-character, turn-based epics from the 80's to interactive cartoons like console RPG's and arcade games like Diablo... and they all have their place and success.

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DarthMeerkat
10.11.2012 , 03:07 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Yeah, you've lost all credibility with that statement. Obviously you're just trolling, not really looking to debate anything because that's just foolish.
WHEN COMPARED TO WOW. You seem to be leaving that part out.
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manchusabre
10.11.2012 , 03:07 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Mateops View Post
I agree with mosty of what you say, except the crafting Its a horrible crafting system IMO, 90% of what you can do is useless junk. I dont like that you cant craft sets.

I liked that about lotro crafting that at a certain level you could craft a decent looking set that would last you from lets say level 30 to 34... This is more like the wow system which I dont like, where your helmet is level 30, the boots 40 etc.

And it costs a fortune!

Thats another thing, Almost everyone I know is broke (yeah of course sdome will relply how awsome they are at making credits and its so easy yea yea) but for normal people that cant play all day long, I think its hard for no reason. When they had that second event, for enrichment, thats what they should have done, let us get "enriched" a bit.

Hopefully with f2p some stuff will be available by other means, for exemple a jetpack or extra storage.
Yeah crafting feels backwards. I'm in a hm ops and schemes drop for columi equivalent gear. I'm getting rakata gear but I can only make columi like stuff that's BOP. I don't get the point of this. It would be nice if the gear you could make was at least bound to legacy to sort of make it worthwhile. Biochem seems to be the best crew skill so far for being at 50.

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TUXs
10.11.2012 , 03:15 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMeerkat View Post
WHEN COMPARED TO WOW. You seem to be leaving that part out.
What does W0W have to do with THIS game??? I don't play W0W, never played W0W, don't ever intend on playing W0W...This game (judging JUST this game...no others) LACKS 50 content.

PvP is NOT fine. PvP is in shambles. PvE is 4 Ops...the different "modes" don't make the encounters different enough to qualify them as anything "new" either.

Don't get me wrong Tim...I have HOPE for SWTOR! But I will not let people twist the reality of what this game is today, it's fun for me, but it's a complete freaking mess right now!!!
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Tim-ONeil
10.11.2012 , 03:27 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
What does W0W have to do with THIS game??? I don't play W0W, never played W0W, don't ever intend on playing W0W...This game (judging JUST this game...no others) LACKS 50 content.

PvP is NOT fine. PvP is in shambles. PvE is 4 Ops...the different "modes" don't make the encounters different enough to qualify them as anything "new" either.

Don't get me wrong Tim...I have HOPE for SWTOR! But I will not let people twist the reality of what this game is today, it's fun for me, but it's a complete freaking mess right now!!!
I never thought you lost hope man, you just have a unique way of showing how much you like something.
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TUXs
10.11.2012 , 03:31 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim-ONeil View Post
I never thought you lost hope man, you just have a unique way of showing how much you like something.
I'm passionate I know what I think would turn this game around in a few weeks and I would love it if just ONCE Bioware showed some motivation to get something done quickly.
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Urael
10.11.2012 , 03:33 PM | #98
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I'm passionate I know what I think would turn this game around in a few weeks and I would love it if just ONCE Bioware showed some motivation to get something done quickly.
But ... but ... *points at the test server*

*scratches head*

Er ..

Oh yeah ... *shifty eyes*

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TUXs
10.11.2012 , 03:35 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
But ... but ... *points at the test server*

*scratches head*

Er ..

Oh yeah ... *shifty eyes*

/pwnd lol True...fine...TWICE! Just TWICE I'd like to see it
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Lostpenguins
10.11.2012 , 03:39 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMeerkat View Post
If WoW launched as was in today's MMO world...
I stopped reading at that point. Your argument is completely invalid. Blizzard doesn't rush things out... they also look at what's successful in the market, currently, and then try to improve upon it. Do you think WoW, if released today, would do so without ready check? Without /random? If the game came out today it probably wouldn't even be what it is... it would probably be different.

Your analogy is terrible. That's like asking, "What if the iPhone 1 came out today? Do you think it would be as successful?" No, of course not. There's been improvements in the iPhone (speed, clarity, functionality) that have been built along the way. But look at current Android phones. Aren't they better than the original iPhone? Yes. You're comparing current day Androids to first year iPhones... that's a terrible analogy. Try again.
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMeerkat View Post
There was a poll back in pre-launch that asked people what kind of dungeon finder people wanted. Cross realm finder came in at only 25% IIRC. Everything else you mentioned comes with time and most other MMO do not release with (frankly I like the current "wardrobe tab" we have with mods.".
Yeah, comes with time. We're almost a year out and still no ready check? Are you kidding me? It took them almost 6 months before we had /random. That's a freakin' joke. And with not allowing mods they didn't bring in a customizeable UI. That's just terrible in this day and age. Stop trying to defend ToR for rushing the game. I don't get how you can defend them for leaving obvious MMO improvements out. As for the wardrobe feature in ToR, it's the most expensive wardrobe feature there is...