Judging the game too harsh

So true!!!

SWTOR is competing in the MMO market as it is TODAY, not the market from 7-8 years ago. They KNEW what their competition was, what it had, what people liked/disliked from it (had they taken a moment to listen). Instead, they got so caught up in their own inflated ideas that they forgot who they were making the game for and went as far as mocking people who wanted 'free roam space'...they insulted the very people they needed as customers. They believed so strongly in their vision, that they closed their minds to any alternative views.

To be fair, the voice acting in this game is outstanding!!! And it's most certainly a HUGE part of the 'draw' for people...but that's where the novelty ends. I feel as though there's a very solid foundation here, it just needs a lotta work to bring the game up to where it should have been.

Do you think TOR could have launched with 5 BGs 30 some odd dungeons and 20 plus raids?

Stop comparing TOR to WoW.

The reason TOR, and every other recent game has a varying level of stinkiness to it is because they are designed as WoW derivatives. Making it more like WoW is a recipe for disaster, just as designing it as a WoW knock-off was a recipe for disaster.

People who like WoW, play WoW.

People who don't like WoW, want nothing like WoW.

5 WZ's, most certainly that should have been their MINIMUM goal. I think 8 would have been a very reasonable expectation. They're 10-15min encounters...any dolt can see we needed more than 3!

30 Dungeons, no...but I'd think 5-6 FP's would have been reasonable.

20 RAIDS, no. 4-5 Operations though, very reasonable request IMO.

Variety!!! Players need stuff to do at 50 and Bioware failed to give them enough. I spent 6 weeks going from 1-50 and nearly 8 months AT 50 now.

TOR is a God-send in the PvP department.

WoW is an MMORPG, MMORPG is a gameplay type like FPS or a strategy game. Making a game like WoW isn't a WoW clone it's just an MMORPG.

People fail to realize this.

WoW is an MMORPG, MMORPG is a gameplay type like FPS or a strategy game. Making a game like WoW isn't a WoW clone it's just an MMORPG.

People fail to realize this.

*buzzer sound*

WoW is just ONE of MANY Types of MMORPGs. WoW was the rise of the "theme park". WoW is NOT a "sandbox". What Cat was getting at was not everyone "likes" "themeparks" and trying to make SWTOR like WoW so much did not capture ALL the Star Wars Fans that it could because MANY of the Star Wars Fans liked the freedom of Pre-CU SWG (i.e. Sandbox).

WoW is NOT the be all and end all "archtype" for ALL MMORPGs. It could be said it was the "proto-themepark" model or at the very least the one that succeeded.

I'm talking about actually gameplay not world design and ideological, those are different things. A lot of sandbox MMOs play like WoW.