Judging the game too harsh

First off, let me say I have been a huge critic of this game since I first began playing the Beta more than a year ago.

However, lately I have been wondering if maybe a large majority of the community was too harsh in writing off TOR as a failure. Very few times did people point out the good (which regardless of your view everyone can agree the good in this game outweighs the bad by far).

I always said it seemed like two separate dev teams worked on this game.. the first set who worked on the starter planets and fps (Esseles, BT, TaralV, Foundry, MSprison) were doing the job right, and then another team was put help push more content in order to make the holiday 2011 release. It is apparent in many ways, but its most obvious when you notice that story and voice over are way more important early on in the game.. and falls completely flat by the time you entering Ops. For example Esseles, Taral V, and Maelstrom prison have engaging plot lines that freshen up the normal dungeon grind.. sure you can say that it gets old after a while, but it nonetheless makes a FP feel like a FP and not a dungeon. When we get to the Ops level.. and to some degree even PvP.. there is no real engaging plot line.. The storytelling is "meh" because it never achieves the goal of actually immersing you in the story (Should be more dynamic as you go through the op not a before/after thing, in fact more dialog and plot choices should be given that affect the outcome of events, bosses, and even loot.

However.. even with those quirks this game is still a B+ in a world filled with C- games (WoW I would rate at a C atm). --SWToR has better combat (no autoattack ftw)
-SWToR has better stories (you can say this and that, but overall the stories are good!)
-SWToR has better crafting (although crew skills do factor in to why higher levels are stuck on the fleet.. since we dont need to actually farm mats with our character)
-SWToR has better mechanics (FP and OPs fights generally feel good)
-SWToR has balanced PvP (you might not agree but it is balanced)
-SWToR provides an overall better casual experience

What SWToR does not provide (and what I know to be the reason many people quit or play it angrily)

- SWToR does not have minigames like Pazaak or swoop racing
- SWToR does not support RP or RP environments (lack of being able to sit or interact with the environment)
- SWToR does not have PvP space combat (This is one is tricky really.. cus its not a standard for MMO's but it is a standard for SW)
- SWToR does not encourage uniqueness infact it punishes customization to the point of limiting it to the bare minimum right down to the character creator
- SWToR has no open world PvP incentive (although the incentive should be to kill whats red.. in this era of MMOs i would have to say that without "objectives" world pvp will not occur

Each of these issues however, are common among most MMOs... I think the game gets Judged because it fails to deliver on so many of these features that players seem to "expect".. but that is simply not fair.

- Character customization is garbage on any game that is on par "mechanically" with SWToR
- (I wont defend the RP environment thing, was going to but it should be in since almost every other game allows you to sit in a friggin chair)
- The space combat on its own is a better minigame than what most other games in its class have.


Maybe I am being just being a little soft on BIOWARE atm, but I really have to say thank you for making the game at least =) I will play it till you turn off the lights, although not as much as I would if it had the features most people want in an MMO (although few MMOs have if any?).

So... getting back to that list of MMOs in recent time that did not bleed out seriously within months?? Where is that list, a list that could help justify you claims that player base has not changed it's consumption habits?

Yeah, thought so.

Even the great and wonderful WoW bleeds out within months of a new expansion release.

Whereis my list of decent MMO's that have been recentley released.
You're right players have been acting nomadic lately, but not because that is how they are, it's because there haven't been any enjoyable MMO's released in the past few years.

Whereis my list of decent MMO's that have been recentley released.
You're right players have been acting nomadic lately, but not because that is how they are, it's because there haven't been any enjoyable MMO's released in the past few years.

QFT ^

Some just choose to see it the other way Tolaf, trust me, the "na na na" (fingers in ears stance) won't ever get it.

Yet, here you both are.... playing MMOs, and playing this MMO even though you say it's bad and you don't like it?

Whereis my list of decent MMO's that have been recentley released.
You're right players have been acting nomadic lately, but not because that is how they are, it's because there haven't been any enjoyable MMO's released in the past few years.

See its this sort of comment that is so typical of this and any MMO forum these days. Im sure all the MMO's have been fun. Im sure you have had a ball playing them.

People just seem to be wanting the Second Coming in MMO form. A Great and Glorious MMO that will satiate all their desires, and amuse them endlessly for unlimited hours. Something they can dedicate themselves to for years, like a relationship. And they want everyone else to be into it also so they know it is The One, and it should have all the features in it that they think should be in it.

Naturally, disappointment follows.